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[–] Bye@lemmy.world 27 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I think you should get more votes if you DONT have children. And the government should give out free sterilizations, and if you can prove you’re sterilized you get to take paternity leave twice.

[–] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Not sure if you're trying for eugenics, but it certainly sounds like you are.

Incentivizing sterilization probably means that marginalized groups will preferentially take advantage of it (well-off people can already take long vacations, etc.). So now we have a disproportionately sterile lower class, while the upper class can have kids as they see fit.

Don't get me wrong, overpopulation is a real thing. But e.g. Japan's declining birth rate doesn't seem particularly happy, and I'm not sure government sponsored sterilization bribery is great either...

[–] Bye@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

By that argument, the lower rate of reproduction is western countries is eugenics, since it’s a consequence of policy (education).

Actually one of the best things that poor folks can do to escape generational poverty, is to have fewer kids. That way, kids inherit a larger share of their grandparents assets, and more can be passed down. Generational land ownership, for example, is extremely powerful. Fewer children per family also lowers the financial burden of education, enabling better education for comparatively fewer people. That’s not eugenics, it’s smart family planning.

[–] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Education is not analogous to eugenics.

[–] Bye@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Incentivising sterilisation is literally eugenics.

[–] Bye@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Any policy can disproportionately affect the birth rate of one group vs another. Is improving abortion access eugenics? Is incentivizing having children via the tax code eugenics because those incentives are stronger for some groups compared to others? Is for-profit healthcare eugenics because it makes it more difficult for poor folks to safely have children? Are fossil fuels eugenics because they lead to higher infant mortality in poorer industrial areas?

No, none of those things are eugenics

If you can't see the difference between these things then I can't help you.

[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 1 points 3 months ago

Antinatalism is the way :)