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An event that's supposed to bring people together, instead purposely creates division. I'm agnostic af, but I can clearly see this is bad taste.
If you like creating division, then by all means celebrate it I guess...
They included everyone who has been excluded from the beginning and made a statement that they will not pander to those who want them excluded anymore. Those who were angry at this are those who wanted to keep these people excluded. I'd say it's a pace in a good direction to bring people together. There is only a group of people who will need to learn they can't force their way on others anymore.
For crying out loud had these people had their way again we wouldn't even have had that badass metal music show in front of the ~~Bastille~~ Conciergerie, where Marie Antoinette was trialed and sentenced to death.
Didn’t realize that was in front of the Bastille, you can’t get more anti authoritarian than that.
My bad, the building it took place at was La Conciergeie, which is the location where Marie Antoinette was trialed and sentenced to death. The Bastille no longer exists.
But I mean, the anti-authoritarian vibe immediately peaked at the beginning with a beheaded Marie-Antoinette singing about hanging the aristocrats.
You could drown Macron in the Seine, to start with. (I mean, he'd probably suffocate rather than drown, but still.)
It's the agnostics who want to force our churches to go woke in Europe.
The other way around. It's the agnostics who defend your right to do whatever you want inside your church, as long as it isn't illegal. It's outside your stupid church you don't get to say or command anything. And that's what offends religious folks. Losing the power to force others to obey your religion is not oppression, leave us the fuck alone.
That's not always the case
Learn to read. “the Archbishop of Canterbury’s views have sway around the Commonwealth and beyond […] the Lords Spiritual number 26 votes in our unelected upper chamber of parliament. These people still have power. ” That's a religious issue within that religion that affects non-religious people. You see how that reinforces my point? I don't fucking care whatever the the church end up deciding to do because I don't fucking belong to that church and therefore that stupid church has no power over my life. But when the assholess inside the church influence civil decisions, then that becomes a problem. Either get out of political life, or change and accept that your worldview not only sucks, but isn't supported anymore.
Ah yes, inclusion is division. Good double speak here.
No no, you don't get it. They don't like drag, and we should've known christian's don't like drag and wouldn't want to go to a drag show. So by us doing them anyways, knowing they won't be there, we're excluding them by not excluding them while they exclude themselves. We're the assholes y'all.
ah damn it, if you put it like that.
The only people creating division are religious people who can't switch off their offended brain for once and laugh a little.
Same logic can be applied to people being (rightfully) outraged at blackface
Since you bring up logic, the logical fallacy you're displaying is called the false equivalence fallacy. Blackface is outrageous because the purpose is to demonize and humiliate black people. The purpose of drag is to CELEBRATE freedom of feminine expression, regardless of sex/gender. One is inherently exclusive, while the other is inherently inclusive.
And the purpose of mocking Christianity is...? I didn't mention drag here.
You're dissenting in a thread about Christians hating drag. It's implied you're talking about drag. Further, blackface is a common dog whisle the alt-right uses to attempt to demonize drag.
I haven't mocked Christians in a very long time. Some people are mocking Christians, but the intent of the original performance, and the intent of this thread, is very clearly to mock people that USE Christianity as ammunition against people and things they don't like. Which is (obviously) an exclusionary act.. Which the Olympics is against, given that it exists to bring people with differences together... Hence, the performance..
Are you this outraged every other time someone parodies the Last Supper?. Sounds like your issue is not parodies of a Christian scene but the parody being done by drag queens.
Yes.
Sure show us the other times you've complained about the parodies and we'll start believing you.
Whataboutism
That's not how whataboutism works. You claim parodies of the last supper offend you, that it has nothing to do with drag queens. It should be easy to provide examples of that given the painting has been parodied dozens, if not hundreds, of times. There are even plenty of examples on the fediverse with a cursory search:
https://pawb.social/post/10067798
https://lemmy.world/post/14797437
https://lemmy.world/post/14556516
https://lemmy.world/post/12149829
https://lemmy.today/post/5285838
https://lemmy.world/post/8691455
https://lemmy.world/post/7935820
https://hobbit.world/post/10124
You're notably absent in the comments. Heck, at this point, any Christian religious image should do.
Ah yes, because I am very active on AI, hobbit, anime and furry threads. Maybe I should start patrolling the furry communities to make sure nobody is blaspheming Christ 🙄
So, no other examples of you taking issue with parodies of christian art on Lemmy or elsewhere, correct? You've had plenty of time since I posted those links to tell each of the OPs how you feel about their depictions of the last supper. Why not go ahead and do that now?
Because I can't be bothered to what the furries are doing?
Yet it's religious parody all the same, something that allegedly bothers you regardless of whether those involved are LGBTQIA+. I've yet to see an evidence to support your argument. Still no response to my original question. It's not a problem when other major groups do it? No global uproar when it's done countless times by high profile series like South Park, the Simpsons, Family Guy, Curb your Enthusiasm, IASIP? Not an issue when the hard right appropriates your religion for political gain? Barely a peep when the subjects are anything other than obviously part of the LGBTQIA,+ community. At this point you should just own your bigotry instead of wasting people's time.
Yes, it's still an issue. Yes it's an issue when people co-opt Christianity for political gain. So many whattaboutisms here. I would be more surprised to see Donald Trump in heaven compared to one of those drag performers in all honesty
Once again, that is not what whataboutism is, the crux of the argument hasn't changed. You claim to be just as offended by other parodies of the last supper. Yet when presented with evidence of others parodying that specific image, even high profile examples, you've shown no indication that this has offended you just as much as it does when drag queens are featured. I even gave you multiple chances to pick any christian religious image you want and still nothing comes up. Either parodies of Christian art offend you just as much or they don't, and if you single one out, the reason becomes very obvious.
This just indicates that you'd still be surprised to see one of these drag queens in heaven, just not as surprised as you would seeing Donald Trump. And really? Donald Trump? A bar that low?
I'd be surprised because many people are too proud of their sin to repent of it. Trump included. However a lot of people living in sexual sin do it because they're looking for fulfillment. They feel like they're not enough and looking for something more, an identity perhaps. Yet Christ fulfills us in more ways we can imagine, and we can place our identity in Christ.
Wtf
It's Christianity causing the division. Not the inclusions of the LGBT.
Drag !== LGBT.
LGBT is Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, three sexual orientations, and Transgender- a modifier of gender expression.
Drag is a performance.
if you have to conform to what a single group wants while ignoring the actual countries who created the games and those who host them, that’s not”bringing people together” it’s just giving in to narrow views and acting as if only one group has legitimacy and the right to decide on anything. there is no “bringing together” of different people and things in that.