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‘Stop bullshitting me’: Biden said to scold Netanyahu in call on truce-hostage deal
(www.timesofisrael.com)
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What bills? What banks? What hospitals do you think are operating in Gaza right now? Who is digging up every destroyed house and carting away every corpse, to what functioning morgue?
There are 12 hospitals operating in Gaza right now. In what reality do you think they’re spending their resources on counting bodies already dead that someone transported there (for what to happen to them)?
Fuckin bills… yeah, they just fire up their home computers and pay the electric bill, and if they don’t, someone knows they’re dead. It’s all real straightforward.
I am done now
I don't think you should speculate so much.
You joke and speculate but the Gaza health ministry numbers have always been reliable.
Yes, they’re excellent under pretty grim conditions. However, they only count (and only attempt to count) directly verified deaths, which obviously is the lower bound on the deaths and not the actual number. The Lancet article explains this.
Didn’t we talk about this already? It seems like we did and now you’re pretending not to understand verified versus unverified deaths.
Me personally I'm going to stick with number of deaths as reported by the gaza government. Which has been proven over this past decade to have accurate numbers through multiple mass-casualty events.
Not conservative estimates or whatever crap the Lancet is trying to push.
You can do that, sure. I definitely have also observed the Gaza Health Ministry to be pretty on point (again under pretty grim conditions).
Idk man, maybe those people just didn’t pay their sewer bill. Hey, maybe that’s where the overcount of casualties came from! They forgot to pay the sewer bill online or at the banks that are all still functioning, and someone at The Lancet thought they were dead.
Can you believe 80% of Palestinians currently support the October 7th attack as well as support hamas even after all this shit? It's mind boggling how they had it all and here they are. They choose to do and support this crap.
Welp
Justifying atrocities against people because they want to take revenge on you for the other atrocities is… well, I mean, it’s not like un heard of I guess, it’s just weird to hear it spelled out so clearly like there’s nothing wrong with it.
Oh yeah, atrocities we committed on them. Supporting their exponential population growth. All the aid we send them. 60% of their population children? And growing.
Damn. We really committed atrocities toward them. How dare we send them billions and billions in aid. They fucked and fucked and partied so hard from such horrendous atrocities.
This ain't no Mudd Club or C.B.G.B., Mr. Byrne
Ohh no. Did they fail to raise an army and go to war?
Anyways let's debunk this crap. There was no Palestine in 1946 Palestine before 1946 was Arabs. The green in 1946 represents a million arabs living there and the white represents half a million Jews. Your map leaves out the British mandate land given to those Arabs of that time. That land known as Jordan today with 70% Arab Palestine descent.
Your last map is pure bullshit. Their population has swelled in numbers since 1946 from 100k population to 5 millions? Yet it portrays an ethnic cleansing? Riiiiiight.
Your 2nd map was the two state proposal offered in 1947 which the Arabs declined and proceeded to try and destroy Israel off the map in 1948.
Your third map is the consequences of them wanting to destroy Israel imo but whatever something something atrocities something something no partition plan no Israel.
You say that like the destruction of an ethnostate is a bad thing.
The destruction of Israel does not mean the destruction of Jews, Jews; Muslims, and Christians lived in Palestine under the ottoman empire, before Balfour decided to kill 2 birds with one stone, and both remove most Jews from Britain (the dude was very explicitly antisemitic) and acquire a colony.
There are like 20 Arab ethnostates. Israel isn't an ethnostate anyways. They have a large amount of citizens that are not Jewish. If they are then there are many many countries you may be inclined to destroy as well.
Seems like you got a lot of work to do cleansing this world of ethnostates. Good luck with it! /S
Is Israel a Jewish state or not?
Israel is no more of an ethnistate than many many countries.
Lancet is literally one of the most, if not the most, prestigious medical journal in the world.
If you don't believe the actual medical journal then you're lost. Plus Israel has bombed Gaza so much that they have destroyed all the hospitals and record keeping facilities. In addition, the US government passed a bill limiting publications from talking about the death toll. https://www.commondreams.org/news/genocide-denial-congress
On top of that, Israel has dropped a minimum of 300 bombs per day on Gaza since October 8th. If each bomb only killed one person, we would have a death toll of 300 per day x approximately 300 days is 90,000.