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Just gonna share this here anyway since I fell for it originally:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/jd-vance-couch-cushions/
Snopes doesn't need to be "helping" right now.
I'm confused... Are you saying we should encourage disinformation?
Yes. I am saying America should be convinced that J.D. Vance fucks couches.
Because that's what you do when the opponents do things like say your candidates turned black all of a sudden or that he wasn't born in the United States.
I mean, there's so much bullshit to use against them we hardly need to stoop to lies. The truth is already incredibly damning and is tearing them apart right now.
The thing about lies is that they demonstrably work a lot better than the truth on the segment of voters we need to reach. They're practically begging to be lied to, so I say give them what they want. If they wanted the truth, it would be extremely easy for them to find it.
“Couch fucker” is catchy though, it rolls off the tongue, it’s easy to remember
‘Diaper Don and the couch fucker’ is a great response to ‘sleepy joe and low iq karolla’ or whatever tf trump is calling her
— it sucks that this is where American political discourse is, but this is where THEY brought it to. Taking the high road isn’t a virtue when dealing with a bully and it isn’t effective.
Diaper Don and the Couchfucker sounds like a bluegrass duo you'd see at a bar in Ithaca. I love it.
"When they go low, we go high" almost never works in politics. So good luck telling people that they're smearing poor J.D. Vance with a terrible lie.
I'm not saying we go high. By all means, rip into them. The Harris campaign is doing a great job of that, using the truth. There's so much ammunition that the lies are just a drop in the bucket and serve no real purpose other than distortion. It's just pretty pointless.
Dude, I just showed you that Jesse Watters devoted airtime to getting upset about it. So that's demonstrably untrue.
Also, it creates social media engagement much like this thread, so that whether or not somebody believes the truth (that JD personally documented the experience of losing his virginity to a musty piece of furniture) they're still engaging with the idea the whole time they read and respond. That's called memetic fitness.
And every moment spent by Republicans defending Vance against this rumor is a moment not spent on campaigning for Trump.
I hear what expr is saying though - several Democratic-voting people I know actually thought it was real in the initial scrum of the meme. That part I’m not so big on. Everyone going wink-wink-nudge dude fucked a couch is fine.
What difference does it make if they think it's real? I don't see how that makes a difference in the grand scheme of things. People believe much sillier things that aren't true all the time.
I’d prefer my own political party to believe truthful things. Despite the wild success the reverse has shown in other parties.
Call it a quirk.
Well, put your mind at ease. The Democratic Party doesn’t think jd Vance fucked a couch.
Which members? Because 100% for sure some of them believe it. When I heard it “was in the first edition of the book” part I was sorely tempted myself.
It’s a trifle. Not important, and barely a whisper of a shadow of the simplest lie the republiQans tell on an hourly basis. But for the record, there absolutely are Democrats voting for Kamala that believe it to be true. That’s just how media works. Especially when it’s so plausible.
Well then wake me up when they stop deifying JFK. Otherwise I'm not too concerned about a couch-fucking rumor.
When Democrats stop deifying JFK?
Well, I guess you’d have to specify. For one thing that was six decades ago.
And yet Democrats believe all sorts of myths about him anyway. And ignore things like how he stalled civil rights legislation and got the U.S. into Vietnam.
I suppose some do, but no one’s actively promoting that. Are they? The record is pretty clear by all accounts.
If the record was clear, people wouldn't still be talking about Kennedy when they talk about civil rights. And yet they do. All the time. Actively.
I'm not sure why you don't think politicians reach back to their predecessors and talk about how amazing they were when it constantly happens. With Democrats, it's Kennedy. With Republicans, it's Reagan.
Source
I dunno how we got here from couch-fucking memes, but, okay?
Cool. One sentence that is a mild criticism of what actually happened.
Thank you for proving my point.
Please do show me the next link about how the Soviets started the Cuban Missile Crisis.
There’s more in the paragraphs before about their unwillingness to pursue civil rights legislation. Suffice to say it was more nuanced than “JD Vance fucked a couch”.
What’s your point again?
My point was that most Democrats think Kennedy was 100% for civil rights regardless of what website you might find says. They also think he saved the world by resolving the Cuban Missile Crisis without knowing he started it.
Because they believe things that aren't true.
So, what you’re saying PBS is pretending Kennedy supported civil rights in the documented speech he gave supporting civil rights which was praised by people including John Lewis as a watershed moment for civil rights? I mean sure, you can prove anything with facts.
And you’re saying Kennedy started the Cuban Missile Crisis by moving nukes into Turkey?
Nope. I’m not saying anything about PBS. How about you actually read my posts?
I thought I was!
Is English not your first language? Do you not know what "regardless" means?
Removed, rule 1
The rest of the world can't do shit about your elections. And it's scary as hell. So please keep throwing shit around it make the train wreck more entertaining.
We should encourage ridicule. Their positions are not worth the dignity of rational debate.
There are two kinds of people: those who understand it's juvenile humor and are just memeing on it for funsies, and those who don't understand that and are never going to be high information voters and JD Vance fucks couches must just be the message that gets them to vote.
My optimism in humanity leads me to believe there are very few of the latter. What I'm certain of is the joke does no harm and is a silly little meme. President Trump was a silly little meme in 2015 but then Hillary ran the worst campaign in living memory (Kamala saved Biden from that dubious distinction), and here we are. So I'm okay with it, but obviously it has no place in serious conversation except to inject some laughs.