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[–] SattaRIP@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's when democracy. And communism is when government does stuff. /s

[+] CompassInspector@invariant-marxism.red 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

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[–] Stalins_Spoon@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Then define it for us

[–] CompassInspector@invariant-marxism.red 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A tankie with a Stalin avatar asks "what's communism?" You can't even make this up.

I'll let Marx tell you:

"In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property."

-Manifesto of the Communist Party

Within the co-operative society based on common ownership of the means of production, the producers do not exchange their products; just as little does the labor employed on the products appear here as the value of these products, as a material quality possessed by them, since now, in contrast to capitalist society, individual labor no longer exists in an indirect fashion but directly as a component part of total labor.

-Critique of the Gotha Programme

[–] Stalins_Spoon@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is obvious, what does your ‘variant’ of Marxism do differently than Marxism-Leninism, and has it come close to establishing a DOTP that can fending off imperialist attacks against it?

[–] CompassInspector@invariant-marxism.red 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your questions betray a terrible confusion. There was never a DotP "established" by Marxism-Leninism. There was no such thing as "Marxism-Leninism" when the Bolsheviks siezed power from the provisional government in October. By the time "Marxism-Leninism" was created by Stalin, there was no longer a DotP in Russia as the world revolution had degenerated and capitulated to class collaborationist opportunism. "Marxism-Leninism" is the result of and the excuse for that opportunism and from its inception took the role of the ideology of the nationalist foreign policy of the capitalist Soviet State divorced from the historical communist programme.

Why do you think Stalin need to jail, kill, or exile all the old guard?

[–] Stalins_Spoon@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

‘Marxism Leninism’ was created by Lenin a deviation of Marxism suited to the conditions for the newly founded USSR, and it set forth by Stalin. Just because Stalin stimulated economic growth through a mixed economy doesn’t make him a ‘traitor’ or a ‘capitalist’, as it helped develop the industries the USSR needed to fend off the fascist threat during WW2, as the Chinese and Vietnamese are doing today. Also, what was so ‘nationalist’ about the USSR’s foreign policy? It promoted local languages and cultures in all the Soviet republics, and just because Russian was the lingua franca, that doesn’t mean that Stalin was ‘Russifying’ the many republics. Lastly the USSR started collectivization of farms and nationalization of the many industries (Increasing the quality of life dramatically) during his time along with an alliance with independent politicians (Bloc of Communists and Non-Partisans), as for the Red Guard, some of them were opportunists or traitors (Like Trotsky, Yezhov, or Bukharin)

[+] CompassInspector@invariant-marxism.red 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

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[–] Stalins_Spoon@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Lenin, however, didn’t create Marxism-Leninism, and never said anything that deviated from Marx.

He didn’t create it, he created the principles for it, expanding on Marx.

Additionally, the move towards this “mixed-economy” you refer to, and the move closer and closer to capitalism signified a retreat, not a step towards socialism. Lenin says this in multiple speeches and reports.

The New Economic Policy was adopted because, in the spring of 1921, after our experience of direct socialist construction carried on under unprecedentedly difficult conditions, under the conditions of civil war, in which the bourgeoisie compelled us to resort to extremely hard forms of struggle, it became perfectly clear that we could not proceed with our direct socialist construction and that in a number of economic spheres we must retreat to state capitalism. We could not continue with the tactics of direct assault, but had to undertake the very difficult, arduous and unpleasant task of a long siege accompanied by a number of retreats. This is necessary to pave the way for the solution of the economic problem, i. e., that of the economic transition to socialist principles - V.I Lenin

Many of the people targeted were Lenin’s old friends and associates. Many were heroes of the civil war. These were people who were heavily involved in the revolution- people who risked everything to bring about revolution in Russia

It was Yezhov who executed them, he was later executed himself for his crimes. Many of them were committed to Stalin and his ideas for socialist development, for example Lazar Kaganovich, and only a few of them were putchists (Like Trotsky) or traitors. I’d like to see your source for the supposed ‘hundreds of thousands’ killed by these purges.

It is an insult to the socialist system to say that an “opportunistic and traitorous” Stalin would be able to become a “dictator” within it.

[–] CompassInspector@invariant-marxism.red 1 points 1 year ago

He didn’t create it, he created the principles for it, expanding on Marx.

He did not add to Marx, he only applied Marx to the specific conditions of 20th century Russia. The challenge remains for you to show that Lenin updated Marx or believed that he was.

...This is necessary to pave the way for the solution of the economic problem, i. e., that of the economic transition to socialist principles

Do you understand the context of what you posted? Apparently not. He's alluding to the ongoing international struggles. He knows that socialism will be impossible in Russia without those victories.

Our backwardness has put us in the forefront, and we shall perish unless we are capable of holding out until we receive powerful support from workers who have risen in revolt in other countries."

Source: "Letters on Tactics," 1917

"We are far from having completed even the transitional period from capitalism to socialism. We have never cherished the hope that we could finish it without the aid of the international proletariat. We never had any illusions on that score, and we know how difficult is the road that leads from capitalism to socialism."

Source: "The Tax in Kind," 1921

"We always staked our play upon an international revolution and this was unconditionally right... We counted upon a revolution of the world proletariat and were of the opinion that Europe after the war would rise so rapidly that either the spark of our revolution would kindle it, or that it would kindle our damp squib."

Source: Speech at the 4th Congress of the Comintern

These statements stand in stark contrast to the policy of "Socialism in one Country" of Marxism-Leninism. ML has nothing to do with Marx or Lenin.

It is an insult to the socialist system to say that an “opportunistic and traitorous” Stalin would be able to become a “dictator” within it.

Not even Lenin thought they had reached socialism yet. Even the quote you posted said as much, so I can only assume you can't read.