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SpaceX’s Starship launches at the company’s Starbase facility near Boca Chica, Texas, have allegedly been contaminating local bodies of water with mercury for years. The news arrives in an exclusive CNBCreport on August 12, which cites internal documents and communications between local Texas regulators and the Environmental Protection Agency.

SpaceX’s fourth Starship test launch in June was its most successful so far—but the world’s largest and most powerful rocket ever built continues to wreak havoc on nearby Texas communities, wildlife, and ecosystems. But after repeated admonishments, reviews, and ignored requests, the Environmental Protection Agency and the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality (TCEQ) have had enough.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

My god. What do you do for a living?

I don't. But even if I did, working for a company is not the same as being the company. I don't blame an Exxon oil rig worker for global warming.

Does it have no effect on the environment in any way shape or form?

Not to the extent SpaceX will since it's destroying the ozone layer. Not sure why you seem to think that's trivial.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I don't. But even if I did, working for a company is not the same as being the company. I don't blame an Exxon oil rig worker for global warming.

You have literally said that nothing anyone does at SpaceX is worthy of praise and complained that people praise SpaceX's genuine accomplishments.

Not to the extent SpaceX will since it's destroying the ozone layer. Not sure why you seem to think that's trivial.

But they're not, they're slightly slowing it's rate of recovery. This is not a problem on the scale of CFCs that actually destroyed the ozone layer, both in terms of damage being done and potential scale it can grow to (4000 satellites vs millions and millions of refrigerators and freezers), and it's one that we literally just discovered now and have literally only started trying to address now.

Doing new things will have unexpected results and won't be perfect the first try. News at 11. You wanna demonize the engineers who try and build new things for not having them 100% perfect the first time, then you're free to be a Mennonite and separate yourself from all of t chbogy and modern society's benefits too.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You have literally said that nothing anyone does at SpaceX is worthy of praise and complained that people praise SpaceX’s genuine accomplishments.

Literally? Please quote me.

But they’re not, they’re slightly slowing it’s rate of recovery.

Please do show a study that rivals the University of Southern California which claims the exact opposite.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Maybe people will finally stop praising SpaceX?

Scroll up.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So I didn't literally say what you claimed I literally said, or even close.

If I had said, "maybe people will finally stop praising Starbucks," would you tell me that I was literally saying that baristas are bad at their jobs?

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

K, so when people praise SpaceX's engineers for designing unprecedented machines that do things that no one has ever seen before, that doesn't bother you?

You were referring specifically to all those times that people are praising SpaceX's environmental regulation compliance?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

When people praise SpaceX, the company, it bothers me.

When people praise an engineer at SpaceX that does something cool, I am happy for the engineer.

Again- saying I hate Starbucks doesn't mean I hate the baristas who work there. Saying I hate Exxon doesn't mean I hate an oil rig worker who's just trying to make money to feed their family.

And sticking just with Musk-owned companies, saying I hate Tesla doesn't mean I hate some random Tesla employee I've never heard of.

I'm really not sure why I have to explain this to you.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

When people praise SpaceX, the company, it bothers me.

When people praise an engineer at SpaceX that does something cool, I am happy for the engineer.

I’m really not sure why I have to explain this to you.

You don't have to explain either of those things to me, you can just answer the question I asked:

K, so when people praise SpaceX’s engineers for designing unprecedented machines that do things that no one has ever seen before, that doesn’t bother you?

i.e. when people praise SpaceX's rockets and launches, does that bother you? Is that praising the company or praising the engineer in your mind?

At the end of the day what the company does is an output of the workers. When people praise what SpaceX does they are praising the workers, unless you view the company as just the CEO, in which case you're falling into the folly of hero worship.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This is some real "corporations are people" bullshit.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

No, that is referring to the idea of a corporation having legal rights the way that a person does. That is not what we're talking about. We're talking about the output of a corporation. Is the output of a corporation the result of the CEO or of a bunch of workers?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

See, the fun thing here is that I've answered the question you keep rephrasing multiple times the same way. You just don't like my answer because it goes against your whole claim that this has something to do with Elon Musk.

And you are doing everything you can to defend a company which is destroying the ozone layer.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You literally have not answered the question.

When people praise what SpaceX does, does that bother you?

Simple question, answer it, not questions that you insert.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I, once again, have no idea why this has to be spelled out for you, but of course it bothers me when people praise a corporation that is destroying the ozone layer.

Similarly, it would bother me if someone praised Shell Oil or Nestle.

Why is it so hard for you to understand that SpaceX is destroying the ozone layer and that is a bad thing?

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I, once again, have no idea why this has to be spelled out for you, but of course it bothers me when people praise a corporation that is destroying the ozone layer.

OK so when people praise SpaceX for destroying the ozone layer, which is totally a real thing that people praise them for, that bothers you.

But you're ok with it when people praise SpaceX for creating reusable rockets that are more environmentally friendly than single use rockets?

Or no, people should shit on them for creating reusable rockets because something something musk makes you angry?

End of the day you think that because SpaceX is a Musk owned company, praise for what SpaceX does is praise for Musk, whereas people who don't engage in hero worship view it as praise for the hardworking engineers who actually did those things.

And stop bringing up the ozone issue, we've been over this. Yes, it's an issue that was literally just discovered and reported on, usually once you discover an issue you give people time to address it. That's what happens when people try to do new things that have never been done before. If they ignore the issue and keep destroying the ozone layer then they will be the world destroying villains that you want them so badly to be.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Got it. And when Exxon ends up heating the world beyond 2 degrees C, then we can criticize them. Until then, criticizing Exxon means criticizing every secretary in their branch office in Des Moines.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I've never once said you can't criticize them. This started because you said people can't praise them.

And Exxon isn't the bad guy for producing a product people want, they're the bad guy for knowing the dangers of that product and not only ignoring them for decades, but also gas lighting the public about it.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This started because you said people can’t praise them.

That is a lie.

This is what I said:

Maybe people will finally stop praising SpaceX?

Why you think you can get away with lying to me about what I said is beyond me.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Precisely, as in, you are bothered by the fact that people currently praise SpaceX, and are hoping that this revelation about mercury levels (which seems to be based on a typo), would make them stop.

You clearly are unwilling or incapable of acknowledging that you're committing the folly of hero worship when you're bothered by people praising SpaceX's accomplishment because of their CEO.

I'm not going to block you in case you eventually come to your senses and post something worthwhile, but I am done with this conversation.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This is what you said:

This started because you said people can’t praise them.

I did not say people can't praise them. People can praise anyone they want. I am unable to tell anyone else what to do apart from my child.

You lied. You're done with this conversation because you know you lied and you refuse to admit it.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I said I was done, but I'll just leave this here since you're apparently unfamiliar with the concept:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/paraphrase

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

It wasn't a paraphrase, it was a lie. I never said anything about what anyone can't do. In fact, I asked a question about whether or not people will stop doing it.

It's such an obvious lie that I'm not sure why you're even trying to attempt this 'paraphrase' nonsense.