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It is, honestly, a fucking terrible idea - I understand that servers are struggling but this is the worst way to fix it.
What's the better way to fix it?
If you are serious... Pay them a regular living wage... Remove the whole caveat that waiting staff is somehow different from any other job.
I agree.
Yup, they beat me to the punch but ensure a living wage.
Also, we can try to be careful but everytime we add a "Type of income X isn't taxed" the majority of untaxed income under that rule comes from the wealthy... dodging taxes is worth millions of dollars so the wealthy can hire teams of accountants to find loopholes.
I would be concerned about having wait staff and other tipped positions be paid a livable minimum wage because it may cause people to stop tipping, which would result in a pay cut. There wouldn't be the argument "They don't even make minimum, I need to tip them.", it would become "They make 22.50 an hour, I don't need to tip them."
When I worked as a delivery driver, I did well only because of tips. If I was paid minimum wage and people stopped tipping, I would have been fucked.
If they get paid a livable minimum and tips are still just as generous, that would be a huge win for people that could use it.
So you want us to pay them the same as everyone else, but also give them more money as well?
"This is your brain on ~~drugs~~ tips."
But seriously: If a federal livable wage ($20+, adjusted regularly) killed tipping, what a relief that would be to most people. Tipping should return to being an unexpected surprise for truly exceptional service.
So basically if your job had no tips, it would require a higher salary than minimum wage to retain workers.
You tip because they don’t make a minimum wage. I don’t get a tip when I do my work at my job. I certainly would be motivated to do a lot better if I got a tip after every meeting. I worked as a delivery driver and I did expect tips because I barely made money doing the deliveries but can’t expect it if I’m making a living wage.
I'm not convinced tipping culture would change so quickly such that it would be an overnight decrease in net income.
In this economy? Tipping would change drastically if people knew the employee was paid 22.50.
Eliminate the submiminum wage mentioned in the article, then increase the minimum wage to something you can live on
Yes.
The sub min definitely needs to go. But my state is double the fed min and requires state min for wait staff. Min still isn't a living wage, and tips are still needed.