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[-] steventhedev@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Hamas fought and killed the PLO in Gaza back in 2007.

Are you trying to say that Netanyahu was involved in that, or merely that he benefitted from it?

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

He literally funded Hamas for the purposes of dividing Palestinians and creating a more convenient scapegoat for his ongoing genocide than the moderate left wing PLO.

[-] steventhedev@lemmy.world -3 points 2 months ago

11 years after Hamas took over Gaza, and as part of a ceasefire deal brokered by Qatar.

It serves his purposes, but again, was done long after Hamas took over Gaza.

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

So that's where you want the goalposts to be now? The TIMING of the thing you so confidently claimed never happened?

[-] steventhedev@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago

I'll spell it out for you explicitly. The PA cannot govern in Gaza because all their personnel there have been dead since 2007. There are more barriers to the PA taking back governance in Gaza, and that should be plain as day. Yet here we are, with you making immature accusations of moving goalposts.

He benefits from it, sure. But saying he's solely responsible is just false.

[-] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The cause for the split was that Fatah was viewed as corrupt. Since at least 2012, Israel has focused on strengthening the split to keep Palestinian leadership fractured while the settlements continue.

This really turned and came to a head in 2007, when Hamas, after winning democratic elections in 2006, rose to power, and the Israeli authorities, along with the U.S., attempted to initiate a regime change operation, which facilitated a civil war between Hamas and Fatah and allowed Hamas to take over the Gaza Strip. Since then, Israeli authorities have actively embraced the idea that Hamas would be accepted as a governing authority in the Gaza Strip. Now, part of the calculus in that is because of Gaza’s 2 million Palestinians. This is a demographic issue. Israel wanted to sever the Gaza Strip from the rest of historic Palestine in order to reinforce its claim that it’s a Jewish-majority state. By getting rid of 2 million Palestinians, two-thirds of whom are refugees demanding return, Israel can claim to be both a Jewish state and a democracy and restructure what is its apartheid regime.

As far back as December 2012, Netanyahu told prominent Israeli journalist Dan Margalit that it was important to keep Hamas strong, as a counterweight to the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank. Margalit, in an interview, said Netanyahu told him that having two strong rivals, including Hamas, would lessen pressure on him to negotiate toward a Palestinian state.

Israel’s goal was “to ensure that the next confrontation between Israel and Hamas will be the final showdown”, he wrote in the memo, dated December 21st, 2016. A pre-emptive strike, he said, could remove most of the “leadership of the military wing of Hamas”.

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