141
Chinese and Philippine ships collide near disputed Sabina Shoal in South China Sea
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 19 Aug 2024
141 points (99.3% liked)
World News
38987 readers
2035 users here now
A community for discussing events around the World
Rules:
-
Rule 1: posts have the following requirements:
- Post news articles only
- Video links are NOT articles and will be removed.
- Title must match the article headline
- Not United States Internal News
- Recent (Past 30 Days)
- Screenshots/links to other social media sites (Twitter/X/Facebook/Youtube/reddit, etc.) are explicitly forbidden, as are link shorteners.
-
Rule 2: Do not copy the entire article into your post. The key points in 1-2 paragraphs is allowed (even encouraged!), but large segments of articles posted in the body will result in the post being removed. If you have to stop and think "Is this fair use?", it probably isn't. Archive links, especially the ones created on link submission, are absolutely allowed but those that avoid paywalls are not.
-
Rule 3: Opinions articles, or Articles based on misinformation/propaganda may be removed. Sources that have a Low or Very Low factual reporting rating or MBFC Credibility Rating may be removed.
-
Rule 4: Posts or comments that are homophobic, transphobic, racist, sexist, anti-religious, or ableist will be removed. “Ironic” prejudice is just prejudiced.
-
Posts and comments must abide by the lemmy.world terms of service UPDATED AS OF 10/19
-
Rule 5: Keep it civil. It's OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It's NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
-
Rule 6: Memes, spam, other low effort posting, reposts, misinformation, advocating violence, off-topic, trolling, offensive, regarding the moderators or meta in content may be removed at any time.
-
Rule 7: We didn't USED to need a rule about how many posts one could make in a day, then someone posted NINETEEN articles in a single day. Not comments, FULL ARTICLES. If you're posting more than say, 10 or so, consider going outside and touching grass. We reserve the right to limit over-posting so a single user does not dominate the front page.
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
Lemmy World Partners
News !news@lemmy.world
Politics !politics@lemmy.world
World Politics !globalpolitics@lemmy.world
Recommendations
For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/
- Consider including the article’s mediabiasfactcheck.com/ link
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
"If you put out 100 articles and 5 have mistakes, that is very different than if you put out 10 and 5 have mistakes."
Big if.
are you making up a series of interdependent assumptions or do you have real data to look at?
"You're not arguing that the BBC and Breitbart are the same level of credibility, right?"
No, what gives you the impression those two organizations are equally credible news sources?
Because boy, are you in for a surprise.
As pointed out above me, MBFC seems to think so. It gives both a MIXED rating. I don't really get what you're trying to argue here? Am I misunderstanding something?
i think you are, yes.
I'm trying to establish if your multiple assumptions above are based in fact or just a few somethings you've made up, which I'd hardly call an argument.
It sounds like you're saying "If x were true, then y cant be trusted".
Is x true?
I shouldn't have to be the one to provide evidence, because MBFC is the site that is making the claim that Breitbart is on the same level of factuality as the BBC. They say that both had numerous factual errors over the years. I'm not disputing that, the BBC is not great when it comes to many issues. But the BBC consists of several broadcasting channels, radio and news outlets. They publish several dozen pieces a day. Breitbart has nowhere near that volume. I was making the point that volume does play a big role, because for credibility, it is the relative accuracy that counts, not the absolute number of mistakes. If you don't see that point, we can stop right here, the discussion would be pointless.
The thing you are asking for, me providing specific counts for mistakes in reporting, is next to impossible. Still, here is an independent report, focused on statistics as reported by the BBC, that finds that in their sample about 4% of statistics were further challenged, so the number of false statistics reported is likely about that number:
https://downloads.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/assets/files/pdf/our_work/stats_impartiality/content_analysis.pdf
As for Breitbart, and I can't believe I have to spell this out, here is their introduction on Wikipedia:
If you think that these two are even remotely similar or deserve to be in the same category of factuality, I don't know what else to say to you.
BBC is rated pretty high, as i recall.
Yea, BBC is rated high center-left:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/bbc/
Breitbart is rated Mixed far-right, two rankings lower as a "questionable source"
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/breitbart
again, these are simple assumptions you're making that you could have checked before making such a stand.
everything you said is wrong because you couldn't be bothered to check the facts.
I feel like a total idiot now, some time between reading the original comment and my reply my brain substituted BBC for The Guardian, sorry for wasting both our times on that :'D
My criticism still stands, because it does rate The Guardian as mixed as well.
no sweat. The mbfc meter is more nuanced than it appears.
"mixed" is one metric.
As for news credibility based on bias, spin and fact-checking,
Breitbart has "Low Credibility"
and
The Guardian has "Medium Credibility"