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Chinese and Philippine ships collide near disputed Sabina Shoal in South China Sea
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You don't understand how that site works.
"mixed" is one metric.
As for news credibility based on bias, spin and fact-checking,
MBFC rates the Guardian overall as "MEDIUM credibility" within the context explained below.
and
MBFC rates Breitbart overall as "LOW credibility" within the context explained below.
Lets look at what MBFC actually says about The Guardian:
These media sources have a slight to moderate liberal bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by appeals to emotion or stereotypes) to favor liberal causes. These sources are generally trustworthy for information but may require further investigation. See all Left-Center sources.
Overall, we rate The Guardian as Left-Center biased based on story selection that moderately favors the left and Mixed for factual reporting due to numerous failed fact checks over the last five years. Detailed Report Bias Rating: LEFT-CENTER Factual Reporting: MIXED Country: United Kingdom MBFC’s Country Freedom Rank: MOSTLY FREE Media Type: Newspaper Traffic/Popularity: High Traffic MBFC Credibility Rating: MEDIUM CREDIBILITY
and Breitbart:
"QUESTIONABLE SOURCE A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no sourcing to credible information, a complete lack of transparency, and/or is fake news. Fake News is the deliberate attempt to publish hoaxes and/or disinformation for profit or influence (Learn More). Sources listed in the Questionable Category may be very untrustworthy and should be fact-checked on a per-article basis. Sources on this list are not considered fake news unless specifically written in the reasoning section for that source. See all Questionable sources.
Overall, we rate Breitbart Questionable based on extreme right-wing bias, the publication of conspiracy theories and propaganda, as well as numerous false claims. Detailed Report Reasoning: Extreme Right, Propaganda, Conspiracy, Failed Fact Checks Bias Rating: RIGHT Factual Reporting: MIXED Country: USA Press Freedom Rating: MOSTLY FREE Media Type: Website Traffic/Popularity: High Traffic MBFC Credibility Rating: LOW CREDIBILITY"
I've seen several people refuse to countenance credible sources because MBFC rates their Factual Reporting as MIXED, the importance you place on the distinction between MBFC's "Factual Reporting" and "Credibility Rating" is irrelevant.
The issue is that MBFC's ratings are politically motivated, any particular feature of how they express their biases is less important. The fact that their rating system is convoluted and needs a page of explanation is definitely a demerit though.
"I've seen several people refuse to countenance credible sources because MBFC rates their Factual Reporting as MIXED"
yes, that's my point about people not understanding how the site works and drawing false conclusions based on their assumptions.
..."importance you place on the distinction between MBFC's "Factual Reporting" and "Credibility Rating" is irrelevant."
in what world is correcting your ignorance about the contextual analysis of news sources on MBFC irrelevant?
that's literally what you are making uninformed, misleading claims about.
You're imagining that because two cars are labeled "slow", they both must have the same fuel pump, drivetrain and engine without even asking how "slow" is defined or looking at either car.
you've misunderstood and consequently misrepresented the MBFC rankings.
"The issue is that MBFC's ratings are politically motivated..."
proof?
You don't like the founder personally, but there's no proof of what you're saying about MBFC.
"The fact that their rating system is convoluted and needs a page of explanation is definitely a demerit though."
Two brief, concise paragraphs of specific context that explains their media bias rankings, the whole point of the site.
Your entire baseless complaint is that the rankings can't be trusted, while exposing yourself as never having actually read any of the rankings past the first word.
This is not a controversial statement. The designation of the artificial center of MBFC's political spectrum as 'least biased' should raise the eyebrow of anyone paying attention. It bears repeating that award-winning news organizations like The Guardian getting the same "Factual Reporting" rating as Breitbart is alarming, as is the similar categorization of several other reputable left-leaning news periodicals. Van Zandt is also unabashedly Zionist, repeating the slander that media outlets that criticize Israel are antisemitic. He regards LGBT lobby organizations as left leaning, even when they donate to both Democrat and Republican politicians and don't engage in any economic intersectionality. There are several more obvious clues that Van Zandt is not a neutral observer, not the least of which is his own understated admission: that his judgement of left and right is from an "American Perspective" and "may not align with all countries."
"...should raise the eyebrow..."
damning evidence you have there....
"...regards LGBT lobby as political and left -leaning..."
yea, dude. not a lot of fascist lgbt+ folks.
and then you apparently discovered, to your horror, that the American website created and run by Americans reports from an American perspective?
and the website disclaims to its users that other countries...may not think the same as America.
This is accurate.
for your education, many countries don't think the same way as the United States does.
I guess it's not weird you find this courtesy a shocker.
You personally don't like its founder, and misunderstood the rankings of the website he created, to your displeasure.
MBFC has consistent rankings that it applies to all news sources equally.
you claim to disagree with some MBFC rankings, although you don't bother to read or understand the rankings.
your personal dislike for the founder and personal disagreement with certain rankings is frankly irrelevant and pales in comparison to the fact that you didn't even know there was more than one metric for MBFC.
raised eyebrows and believing that LGBT+ groups shouldn't be classified as left-leaning is no proof.
Do you think that the position that cisgender straight people have the right to exist in public is a biased opinion? Is that position left or right biased?
the dislocated straws you are grasping at for being too lazy to read a webpage before criticizing it are absurd.
"Do you think that the position that cisgender straight people have the right to exist in public is a biased opinion?"
strictly to exist?
no.
cis straight people have the right to exist in public.
any other brain busters?
Why then is the position that gay people have the right to exist in public a biased opinion?
It is not a "biased" opinion, but it is certainly a political issue, to keep our topic consistent and hop ahead a few questions.
would you like to know why?
I'll take another turn:
lgbtq+ prior having the right to exist in public is a political issue because lgbtq+ people have not achieved the unilateral, unchallenged right to exist in public everywhere yet, and overwhelmingly left-leaning political institutions and organizations are committed to extending that right to the lgbtq+ community.
Those left-leaning organizations are making political stances, engaging in political protest and rallies, passing (political, see where this is going?) legislation, to ensure that the conglomerate minorities of lgbtq+ have the undeniable right to exist in public.
these political actions are almost exclusively fought for and achieved by left-leaning organizations, resulting in the lgbtq+ movement being justifiably associated with and classified as left-leaning.
I'd love to skip ahead, but I'm not confident you know where this is going. We agree that gay people having the right to exist is a political issue, but it's not a politically biased opinion.
Is science a political issue? Is it biased to value the authority of scientists on issues like climate change or vaccine effectiveness?
science is very obviously a political issue.
amazing.
that's what you get for asking ill-defined questions without context.
please continue.
you can pretend i answered your straw man the way you wanted me to so that you can eventually, one day limp over to what appears to be coalescing into an inaccurate "gotcha!" based on false premises.
I appreciate you expanding on your earlier comment. I'd love for you to elaborate on science the same way you did for lgbtq+
With the fight to take basic health precautions in the face of a pandemic and acknowledge the reality of climate change championed by Democrats and opposed by Republicans, is the pro-science movement justifiably associated with and classified as left-leaning?
yup.
Where on the political spectrum do you think Dave Van Zandt classifies organizations that are pro-science, and respect the consensus of experts in the given scientific field?
Rather than personal opinions lacking supporting evidence, let's look at the data we do have to analyze your baseless implication:
Live Science - HIGH
science daily - HIGH
scientific American - HIGH
nature - VERY HIGH
NASA - VERY HIGH
by your unfounded accusations, van Zandt highly values pro-science news sources.
look at all those extra steps you took to get back here and prove yourself wrong. Again.
"Scientific studies using its ratings note that ratings from Media Bias/Fact Check show high agreement with an independent fact checking dataset from 2017"
https://academic.oup.com/pnasnexus/article/2/9/pgad286/7258994?login=false
"When MBFC factualness ratings of ‘mostly factual’ or higher were compared to an independent fact checking dataset's ‘verified’ and ‘suspicious’ news sources, the two datasets showed “almost perfect” inter-rater reliability"
Charitably, I think you missed the point. I didn't imply that van Zandt doesn't highly value pro-science news sources. Although he's not a scientist, and doesn't understand science, he clearly values it highly. That's to his credit. But 'HIGH' and 'VERY HIGH' is not a place on the left-right political spectrum.
We agree that both the human rights of gay people and pro-science publications have no political bias, but one might reasonably place them both on the left of the political spectrum based on the typical positions of politicians in the United States. If climate change clarion callers like Scientific American and NASA are completely devoid of a 'bias' rating according to Van Zandt, what does that tell you about what he thinks about the human rights of LGBTQ+ people?
You keep making incorrect assumptions and drawing false conclusions.
Misleading and derailing the conversation won't pan out.
I understand you'd rather not risk making any more embarrassing mistakes than you already have, but you can solve that by asking actual questions about the things you don't understand instead of trying to "gotcha!" me with vagaries and baseless implications, which has backfired on you the last half dozen attempts.
it doesn't matter that you don't personally like the founder of MBFC and despite no evidence have sneaking suspicions about him and the popular palatability of his beliefs.
completely irrelevant to the point at hand.
We're talking about the credibility of Media Bias Fact Check, which according to independent sources, is a highly reliable source with which to judge the credibility of news sources.
You misunderstood misinterpreted and maligned the site without evidence, were exposed as never having taken the trouble to actually read any of the site, and now you're trying to find any windy path out of your many blunders.
as you'll notice in my previous comments, I enjoy clarifying and explaining things.
If you have genuine questions that will help you understand a matter more clearly, I'll be glad to lend a hand.
If you're just trying to unproductively cast doubt and raise vitriol without evidence, your transparent runarounds aren't going to accomplish anything.
Okay, you didn't miss the point. You just can't admit you're wrong about anything.
proof?
or are you going to stick with the whole vague, baseless implications thing?