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[–] Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Agreed. We have allowed our democratic system to be quietly stolen from us without even really noticing. I think we either need to properly reclaim it or to start new systems away from it. The Fediverse is a really good example of the latter.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The fediverse exists in the web, while they exist in the reality and command police, people in airports and train stations, military, internet service providers, etc.

[–] Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I would argue that the web is part of reality - it's our main method of communication. It might be small but I think it's a good example of successful self-organisation away from government/business/finance.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It might be small but I think it’s a good example of successful self-organisation away from government/business/finance.

It's definitely not small, and backbones and intercontinental cables and such are not self-organization.

Late 90-s and early 00-s web, however were such an example. But they still relied on benevolence of ICQ and AIM owners, OS vendors, organizations making standards.

[–] Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Sorry, I was referring the Fediverse while you were referring to the internet as a whole. Limitations of written communication and all that!

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

OK, then fediverse still relies on PKI.

[–] Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Public key infrastructure, but specifically - the current centralized system with root certificates which everyone trusts, that the Web uses.

[–] wanderingmagus@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That's why we should follow the example of the French and do a Revolution every now and then!

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Revolutions are destructive and have bad potential. But a certain degree of unchecked chaos is useful.