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He may not be in office, but Donald Trump has been speaking with the powers that be about Israel’s war on Gaza—but it’s not in an effort to end the genocide.

Instead, Trump has allegedly been talking with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to avert a cease-fire deal, fearing that doing so could help Vice President Kamala Harris win in November, according to PBS.

“The reporting is that former President Trump is on the phone with the Prime Minister of Israel, urging him not to cut a deal right now, because it’s believed that would help the Harris campaign,” said PBS’s Judy Woodruff Monday night. “So, I don’t know where—who knows whether that will come about or not, but I have to think that the Harris campaign would like for President Biden to do what presidents do, and that’s to work on that one.”

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[-] ChronosTriggerWarning@lemmy.world 74 points 2 months ago

The "genocide Joe" crowd is deafeningly silent on this development, i see. How surprising.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 17 points 2 months ago

Dachau Donald? Treblinka Trump?

[-] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

Terezin Trump is probably more appropriate, given the fakeness of both.

[-] shikitohno@lemm.ee 10 points 2 months ago

Not sure why you would expect them to be going nuts on this. This is just one more in a long line of terrible things Trump supports, but he is not going to change stance on this for a bunch of people not in his party complaining online.

Genocide Joe has run its course, in my opinion. Biden is no longer the nominee, and despite all the hand wringing about foreign shills by people who see Russian manipulation in their own shadows, polls seem to indicate this was an overwhelmingly positive move for the Democrats. Harris is not my ideal candidate, but the Genocide Joe moniker was part of a campaign during primary season and leading up to the nomination to not have Biden as the nominee, and it accomplished this.

This is just some weak what aboutism from sore losers. No shit Trump has worse stances on this issue than Biden, but I can't vote in primaries other than my registered party in my state, and the GOP was never going to replace him as nominee over this issue anyway.

[-] zerog_bandit@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

Bro the absolute denialism that Genocide Joe wasn't being pushed by GOP and their international subversives...

[-] shikitohno@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago

I wouldn't deny that they may have thought it was helpful to push at the time, but there are plenty of people who used it that just wanted either a change in stance from Biden, or a different candidate. "Russian shill" has just become the go to line for anyone who wholeheartedly sticks to the Democratic party line to shut down any and all discussion. Criticize your own party's prospective candidate at the time without first denouncing every bad take Trump has? Russian shill. Don't agree that the statistics showing the economy is doing great reflect the actual experience of many people? KGB plant. Supermarket is out of your favorite brand of cereal? Putin's fault. It's ridiculous.

[-] reddit_sux@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

Genocide Joe crowd knows Biden was a better choice than Trump. They know Kamala is a better choice than Trump. In every metric there is.

Having said that just because they r the better choice doesnt give them free reign in colluding with genocidal foreign countries who are directly and indirectly trying to influence the election. Just because they r not our enemy doesnt mean they r allowed any and every infraction they wish to do.

They just want to be heard that they don't support Israel ignoring the genocide it is perpetrating in Gaza and the US's role in it.

You don't seem to understand the frustration they r feeling having this binary choice. If push comes to shove n they vote they will vote Kamala.

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[-] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago

The "genocide Joe" crowd are, for the most part, well aware that Trump is just as bad for Gaza as Joe is. They're not arguing for supporting Trump, they're arguing that both choices are bad.

This is not a rational position, obviously, because if you care about protecting Palestine you're still better off supporting the Dems to avoid the worse option of Trump, but for a lot of people it's hard to stomach the idea of voting for a murderer, no matter what the justification is. The not entirely unreasonable argument is that voting for the Dems to avoid the worse option basically encourages the Dems to be more shitty because they know they can always throw the threat of the GOP in everyone's faces when they're called out. I don't agree with this argument, but I see how it's compelling to people.

They're not Trump supporters - at least, not intentionally - they're just sick of the whole dicochtomy of being asked to choose between bad and worse. I can understand their frustration, even if I don't agree with the choice they're making.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 14 points 2 months ago

Trump is not "as bad" as Biden. Trump is significantly worse. Trump has said he wants to ramp things up, and for Israel to "finish the job." There is no "as bad" here. There won't be any Gazans left under Trump most likely. There certainly won't be a Gaza separate from Israel at least.

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago

Why are we still defending Biden vs Trump? Harris "won't stay silent" about Palestine.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago

Yeah, I don't know. I was baited into it I guess. Biden sint running anymore. I don't know if it's best to just ignore these people or still refute them though. Maybe it's best to just tell them Biden isn't running?

[-] Pfeffy@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Didn't we just send them more 'aid' while they continue to massacre children? Did she speak up and oppose that? Israel is going to commit their atrocities and eradicate Palestine and neither party will oppose it. Arguing about dumb shit Trump says is just a distraction from the actual actions of Democrats. I'm so sick of Democrats telling me that I have to vote for them because otherwise Republicans will do what they are doing but worse.

[-] ChronosTriggerWarning@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

I agree, for the most part. However, i do believe a lot of them are Trump supporters, willingly.

[-] auzy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Except the ones which are saying it simply to encourage people to stop voting. They do that to dem voters only though suspiciously

There is no comparison between the two. Trump is unimaginably worse. The only thing anyone has against Biden is his son (which isn't anything to do with him) and Israel, which Biden is likely trying to get a ceasefire in the background

I'm sitting here in Australia as he's telling you guys exactly how he is going to fuck you over.. He's dropping hints constantly that he won't leave power and introduce laws to extend his term if he wins

He's definitely going to pardon more criminals. It's scary to think of how much damage he'll do on a second term internationally, as he's done plenty the first time.

If Trump ends his term knowing he's going to jail, don't be surprised if he leaks all the classified information to everyone to make it seem like he's fighting for freedom and try to get more power

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