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Meanwhile, in the real 2024, a lot of homeless people would probably prefer being put into a sanctuary district than having their very existence made illegal and cops either clearing them out or arresting them wherever they went.
this is exactly like saying homeless people would rather go to prison than be homeless.
Not even close to saying that. I think you need to look at what SCOTUS recently ruled about what cities can do with homeless people. Because sanctuary districts would be kinder.
you cant leave a sanctuary district, thats a prison, why would anybody want to go there? theres three main ways you end up there, you are too poor, your caught sleeping on the streets, or you have mental problems and cant afford the healthcare.
inside the sanctuarys you have no guarantee for housing, no way to get a job, increased gang activity, more mentally unstable people, food shortages, how is that any better than living on the streets in our world?
the rulings from the scotus is the first step to sanctuary districts my friend, and if you think that locking poor people in cages is kind, then you have a funny definition of kindness.
I don't think you understand the difference between "kinder" and "kindness."
Spitting in someone's face is kinder than stabbing them in the throat. Does that mean spitting in their face is kindness?
if you say something is kinder, then it must pass the bar of being kind first. I would say none of the things being described, (spitting , stabbing, and locking people away) counts as kind in the first place
No, that's not how language works.
You can say that flies are smarter than bacteria despite neither being smart.
You can say that Bob is uglier than Dave when neither Bob nor Dave are ugly.
And I've already made it clear to you that I was not suggesting either was kind, so I'm not sure why you're arguing this with me as if I were.
you can say bob is uglier than Dave sure, but if it's not true then it means nothing, similarly if you call something unkind kind, then that also means nothing. you said that sanctuary districts would be kinder, in order to be kinder they must first be kind, so yes you did say sanctuary districts are kind.
Again- I made it clear what I meant. You're just harassing me at this point because you have decided I meant something I didn't mean due to the way I said it even when you've been told otherwise. Maybe stop doing that.
my intent is not to harrass you, if you agree that prison for homeless people is bad, then my only point of contention was the use of the language, and i hope you can see why i interpreted what you said the way i did.
i spent like 6 years homeless myself, i dont particularly like the idea that anybody could be put into a sanctuary district for being homeless. most homeless people i personally know would be very opposed to the idea of being placed in a sanctuary district, because they have interacted with social welfare programs before and know that they are ineffective at best, and actively harmful at worst, and the sanctuary district we see in the show is a prime example of that
the people who get placed there did nothing wrong, and are now prisoners in some fucked up fend for yourself cage. there were promises of being placed in a job, that the sanctuary disctricts are there to help the people in them. that is the exact opposite of what they do, its only a way to sweep the problem under the rug
you say some may prefer to be put into a sanctuary district than be arrested for being homeless, i dont see a difference between the two whatsoever.
I think his point was that since everyday survival on the streets is so hostile to homeless people, that prison can be seen as more humane as they get food, water, and shelter in prison while they may not on the streets.
That isn't an argument for jailing homeless people; its that our criminalization of homelessness needs to stop and we need to instead provide pathways for rehabilitation such as Housing First. Also tackling the root-cause of homelessness that is the private housing market where shelter is an investment instead of a human right, by providing genuinely good public housing
But I can see why it came off that way for someone with your background. Most people are still hostile to homeless people and blame them for the state of the cities, despite them being the major victims of the policies that are creating and profiting off that disparity. I'm glad to hear you were able to make it out of homelessness, despite America's efforts to make it as hard as possible
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