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[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 98 points 2 months ago (53 children)

The US will get the leader they deserve.

Too bad the rest of the world will feel the consequences as well while they have no say in the matter.

[–] ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (12 children)

I get this way of thinking, but just to be clear: the US didn't get the leader it deserved when Trump "won" the first time, despite receiving millions of fewer votes than Hilary. And almost certainly here, even if Trump "wins," he will have gotten less votes.

That's because there is a 2-3% bias in the current presidential electoral system, the Electoral College. We're founded under a "1 person, 1 vote" ideology that our elections ignore.

So yes, I get the frustration. But we (the sane people) are all in this together, and the majority of voters in the US appear to still be sane, even if that doesn't win the election by default. Solidarity would be the better move here.

[–] confused_code_monkey@lemm.ee 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I agree with everything you're saying, except:

We're founded under a "1 person, 1 vote" ideology

At the 1787 Constitutional Convention, delegates debated between Congress choosing the next president vs a straight popular vote. The former risked corruption between the legislative and executive branches, and the latter gave too much power to the uneducated, sometimes-mob-esque populous. After several debates, a compromised was reached - electors. These intermediaries wouldn’t be picked by Congress or elected by the people. Instead, the states would each appoint independent electors who would cast the actual ballots for the presidency.

Overall, though some founders agreed with a "1 person, 1 vote" ideology, they were not the majority... unfortunate though that was.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Instead, the states would each appoint independent electors who would cast the actual ballots for the presidency.

In other words, like having Congress do it, but with added Federalism by giving it to the state legislatures instead of the federal one.

The "Electors as intermediaries" part was wasn't directly about reducing corruption, because having the state legislators choose would've already solved that. The only trouble was that "one state legislator, one vote" wouldn't work because different states set up their legislatures differently and with varying numbers of constituents per legislator, so they needed a sort of 'compatibility layer' to compensate for those differences and the solution was having state legislatures appoint Electors.

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