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[-] Tja@programming.dev -4 points 1 month ago

Yeah, when you organize your army based on politics and not on, you know, military capability, you end up sucking at war and need to make it up in numbers. You ignore intelligence of imminent invasion you let hundreds of thousands of troops get encircled and begging the Yankees for resources.

[-] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

Consider not learning your ww2 history from pop culture

[-] Tja@programming.dev -3 points 1 month ago

So, no argument at all? Just a downvote and an ad-hominem? I'm disappointed...

[-] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Why would I need to seriously argue against what is essentially tropes, including the asiatic hordes trope? Your argument speaks for itself.

Compare the size of the soviet army at the start of the war to the size of the French and German armies. Now compare the Soviet delaying actions to the invasion of France.

[-] Tja@programming.dev -2 points 1 month ago

No idea what tropes you talking about, those are history book facts. Embarrassing, but facts.

[-] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Remind me how many French and British troops were bypassed and encircled during the invasion of France?

Remember that the combined forces in France were much larger and more mechanized than the soviet army during barbarossa, and were invaded by less troops

[-] Tja@programming.dev -2 points 1 month ago

The truth or some warped version of "Stalin was not that bad" reality you expect?

[-] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago

Literally just look up the numbers on Wikipedia(or whatever other center-right source you consider credible) and stop embarrassing yourself.

[-] Tja@programming.dev -1 points 1 month ago

Wikipedia literally quotes Soviet archives. If that is center right, I'm curious to know what is left.

[-] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Okay, then go find other sources for these numbers:

  • Number of axis troops invading France

  • Number of French and British commonwealth troops during the initial defense of France

  • Number of axis troops invading the Soviet Union

  • Number of Soviet troops during the initial defense of the Soviet Union

[-] Tja@programming.dev -2 points 1 month ago

I suspect that anything right of the Soviet archives won't be good enough for you. And even those are embarrassing.

[-] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The point of this exercise is for you to find the numbers and experience a moment of self reflection. What I think of the credibility of the numbers doesn't matter.

You won't though. One has to wonder why?

[-] Tja@programming.dev -1 points 1 month ago

I already did, first back in school and latest yesterday to check what sources the wiki used. Somehow the numbers haven't changed in all those years.

[-] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

And you think the numerically inferior soviet troops -who did better than the larger more mechanized and better equipped French and British troops- while also fighting a larger better equipped force demonstrates....

[-] Tja@programming.dev 1 points 1 month ago
[-] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

Have you actually studied ww2? France fell in weeks. So yeah the Soviets did better.

[-] Tja@programming.dev 1 points 1 month ago

The soviets lost more than half of the total population of France, so hard to call it better.

[-] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yes, it is their fault the nazis viewed them as subhuman and exterminated them in a way they didn't do with the conquered French. /s

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