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Wow, 12/433 “good guy with a gun. That’s higher than I expected! However you still need to compare to deaths caused by “careless guy with gun” plus “scared/angry guy with gun”, which includes the latest school shooting and is much much higher
Also: This chart only shows what happened to the attacker. It doesn't give you a picture of the innocent people on the scene shot by cops, the cops shot by cops, the "good guy with a gun" who shoots another good guy with a gun, and so on. 12/433 may be accurate, but by the time you deduct points for innocent deaths caused by people with guns on the scene, you're creeping back down to zero again.
If not everyone would have guns it would probably be a lot less than 433 active shootings in the same timeframe 😅. The 12 would go to 0 quick. But the 433 would decrease a lot more than 12 🥳
I’d also like to point out …. While the usual argument is that criminals would still have guns, many shootings like this are perpetrated by people who weren’t criminals. While the parent had poir judgement and failed their supervisory responsibility, as far as I know the kid in this latest shooting g had a “legal” gun.
While criminals with guns are certainly a problem, better gun control and mental health resources could prevent an outsized number of deaths, injuries, trauma. And don’t forget the family of the perpetrator: most other possible outcomes would be better for them than what happened
Very few people actually carry weapons in public in most of the US, concealed or openly. It's nothing like "most people", or even "most gun-owners". I have a lifetime concealed-carry permit, but my guns stay in the safe, save for specific events.
In my experience, this statement varies drastically by what region you are in the country.
No argument from me. There are places that make me uncomfortable, but all the idiotic open carry shenanigans here and there are just the icing on the shit cake.
this doesn't include times where the good guy was pressure for the bad guy to not attempt it. There's a reason why shootings in schools are popular, there's only 1 or 2 armed people there compared to the 1,000+ kids.
Let's also keep in mind your average gun owner is not owning/carrying to stop a mass shooting. They are using them for self defense, especially night stand guns. If someone's breaking into my house, I'm not calling the police and hiding hoping they get there in time. I'm defending my family myself, at that exact moment
But that’s kind of a problem. I don’t see how your weapon can be useful for self defense in this case while also being properly secured by a responsible owner. Maybe pairing it with an alarm system or dog can get you enough warning to do both
They make quick access safes which can be mounted on or near your bed, so instead of leaving a loaded gun in a drawer where anyone can get it, it's in a locked safe with either a fingerprint or button combo unlock. The safe can be opened in seconds by someone who knows what they are doing but would otherwise keep the loaded weapon secure.
Good luck getting to it when you already have the attacker standing over you.
That's not the point. If they are already standing over you then you would be dead before you wake up. But we should never act like that is the only scenario possible
"We?"
It's a word that in this moment means "you and I"
No, it doesn't. Unless you have a mouse in your pocket.
https://nypost.com/2024/09/10/us-news/georgia-shooting-suspect-colt-grays-dad-bought-ar-15-to-toughen-him-up-relative/
Do you think that manned that kid up?
If you aren't willing to follow the societal rules of conversation then there is no point in having one.
usually home intruders don't just walk into the bedrooms of the house while stealing shit. So that probably.