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[-] CoggyMcFee@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

So you replied to my post without reading, still didn’t address the questions I asked after acknowledging this, and are now shamelessly saying you also never even read Taylor Swift’s post in the first place before making all your comments. And yet your thesis is that there’s no reason to place any value on what she says?

[-] SirDerpy@lemmy.world -5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Is there any reason her perspective should not have any value but yours and mine should?

She provides nearly no reasoning for her perspective.

Furthermore, if someone does know who she is and wants to also take into account that they admire her music and songwriting, her personality, her perspective, and/or her various life accomplishments, why shouldn’t they?

She's rich, a marketed character. She shouldn't be trusted by default.

We’re talking about politics here, where everyone is making it up as they go along. She’s not trying to use her celebrity status to get a paper published in a physics journal or something.

This ridiculous comparison, and being outright incorrect in it, is why your questions weren't answered. I've rectified that.

And yet your thesis is that there’s no reason to place any value on what she says?

No reason? I didn't say that. I said the implied reasons to value her perspective aren't meritable.

Now that I've read her post I find I was entirely correct. She's chosen what's safe, politic, and popular: conclusions without reasoning. She could've risked what her conscience should've told her was correct. But, she predictably didn't.

[-] jhymesba@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

So, let's break down her post, because I'm sure you didn't read it.

  • She watched the debate, and asks for all voters to research the candidates and make their own conclusions.

Literally, her first paragraph is an appeal to each and every American to research the issues and the candidates and come to their own conclusions. Nowhere does she opt to tell you how to vote. In fact, she says repeatedly to do your own research and make your own choice.

  • An AI DeepFake of her endorsing Trump encouraged her to come out and make her voting choice clear.

She explained the problems with DeepFakes and AI bullshit, and used that as a justification for revealing what is normally a secret ballot. She didn't want to endorse anyone. In fact, it was stated she'd keep her mouth shut about her politics to protect her fans until her current tour was done (elsewhere, not in this thread) which meant she was initially planning on not revealing her choice at all, which most voters actually do, since our ballots are secret and all. But when Trump claimed her (fake) endorsement, she had to stop and set the record straight, despite not wanting to bring the backlash on her fans.

  • Her voting choice is for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz. She's even listed some of her reasons, including Walz' support for LGBQ rights, women's rights, and other choices he's made for decades, and keeping the chaos of Donald Trump and the GQP away from the levers of power in the US.

She doesn't go deeper into this, admittedly and maybe even unfortunately, just saying she believes Harris/Walz is the better choice to run the country for the next 4 years. She basically just lays out what motivated her to pick the team she did, and why she didn't pick the other team (Team Chaos). But there's a reason for this!

  • She implores you to do your research and make your choice, like she did her research and made her choice. She reminds you that whatever choice you make, you need to make sure you are registered, and says she will link registration processes to her story in the future.

Nowhere in any of this does she tell you who to vote for. She doesn't want to. She just asks you to do your research, both on the candidates and issues, AND on how to properly cast your vote this election. I'm sure if you popped up on her thread and said you were going to vote for whatever candidate, she'd say 'good on you, make sure you are making the right choice, and check these links to verify you can actually vote!' She seems to be the kind of person that lets you make your own decisions.

Will Swifties see her voting for Harris as a justification for voting for Harris? Probably. I hope she continues emphasising that people should make up their own minds based on their own research, while advocating for harm reduction and de-chaosing. That seems to be in line with how she functions. And you should never base what your vote is going to be on how someone else votes. I would have liked to have seen a more detailed breakdown of her decision and a link to the sources she made her decisions off of, but let's get real. MANY people don't have an academic background and know how to cite their sources, so...yeah. I won't expect it from Taylor Swift.

In conclusion, she's not giving 'reasoning for her perspective' because she's not telling you who to vote for. She's saying who she's voting for because AI put words in her mouth that the major candidate most opposed to her positions used to claim her endorsement. That's all.

[-] SirDerpy@lemmy.world -2 points 1 month ago

You're assuming I'm dumb. That's an error.

[-] jhymesba@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Nah, I'm not. I'm assuming you have an agenda you're pushing, and I'm using the very post you said you read to point out that no, she's not doing anything you're accusing her of, and she doesn't owe you, or anyone else, anything. And I'm doing so not to change your mind, but to inform anyone else who stumbles across your posts that you're not being forthright and honest with your claims, and that she's merely saying "I'm voting for this choice" because some jackwagon with some AI skills made a fake video of her saying "I'm voting for the other choice." That's all.

At this point, I'm not talking to you anymore, just using your words as examples of arguments that get Trump elected.

[-] SirDerpy@lemmy.world -2 points 1 month ago

Assuming disagreement and bad faith is even worse than assuming me and idiot, particularly when you're not asking any questions.

[-] jhymesba@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Wow. Thanks for doing all my work for me. Keep talking.

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