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[–] Silentiea@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Even the small cars have been progressively getting bigger over time, it's horrible

[–] Soggy@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Some of that is crumple zones and airbags, but yes there's pretty much nothing for "small" cars (10 to 14 feet long) in the US.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Since the fuel efficiency standards are based on the vehicles footprint, going a few inches bigger allows for a slightly more powerful but also slightly less fuel efficient engine. So the car is roomier, more powerful, and doesn't get penalized for lower mpg.

Small trucks are penized for not being fuel efficent enough. I really wish that lead to smaller electric or hybrid trucks like the Maverick, but people have been conviced that those smaller efficient trucks are bad.

I wish the standards were not based on size, but by vehicle type. Same end result for trucks being popular, but at least smaller trucks would be viable alternatives to sedans again.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Or hell, just base it on straight up fuel efficiency. If there's a small car that's already more fuel efficient than everything else on the market, there should be no disincentive to sell more of them, even if that fuel efficiency doesn't improve over time.

A larger vehicle is only better if it's being used to move more people (that would otherwise be using another vehicle). Maybe instead of mpg (miles per gallon) it should be pmpg (person miles per gallon), where it not only depends on the vehicle itself but how many people are expected to ride in it regularly (which the manufacturer can add seats for but is more dependent on the owner).

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Going by seats would encourage the already annoying four door pickup trend since it means every truck needs to be longer to compensate. I mean, wouldn't a smaller two seater truck that gets better mileage be an improvement over a full size four door truck?

A small two door pickup that gets mileage close to a similarly sized hatchback would be awesome. But it would be hard to do in the US right now because of mpg standards being tied to size, which are also the reason so many tiny cars are underpowered to squeeze out that last few mpg.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

That's what I meant about it being more dependent on the owner rather than the number of seats. You can't tell at the point of sale how many people each buyer is going to be transporting regularly, but it plays a huge role in how efficient that vehicle will ultimately be.

A four seater truck is horrible if it's just the owner riding alone in it, but pretty good if it's full and being driven instead of 4 single occupier trucks.

Though a 4 seater sedan is even better, so I was referring mostly to higher occupancy vehicles, like vans that can seat 7+. One of those could replace two sedans if filled to capacity. Or a 50 seater bus, or a 300 seater train (or whatever capacity mass transit options have).