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[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 103 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

It's really more like Remote Desktop+. It has some additional "features" (slight retch) on top of traditional Remote Desktop features.

Let's wait and see if it's actually more secure than traditional Remote Desktop.

(and I'd still rather use Wine)

[-] rtxn@lemmy.world 49 points 4 weeks ago

Did they invent X11 Forwarding over the network?

[-] Samsy@lemmy.ml 34 points 4 weeks ago

Btw. when we get wayland forwarding over Network?

[-] potentiallynotfelix@lemdro.id 36 points 4 weeks ago

waypipe exists, but it's still not perfect.

[-] Samsy@lemmy.ml 12 points 4 weeks ago

Never heard about this. Thx.

[-] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 2 points 3 weeks ago

Neither was X11 so it's in good company

[-] db2@lemmy.world 17 points 4 weeks ago

Btw. when we get wayland ~~forwarding over Network~~?

[-] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 4 weeks ago

/c/foundthenvidiauser

[-] d_k_bo@feddit.org 16 points 4 weeks ago

Unlike X11, Wayland was never intended to be network transparent. As others say, solutions like waypipe and more tradionally RDP and VNC exist.

[-] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 5 points 4 weeks ago

Exactly. We won’t. We’ll get specialized video stream over network. I’m not happy about this regression. I understand that was a willing sacrifice to achieve better local performance, but I’m not sure it was worth it.

[-] MinFapper@startrek.website 6 points 4 weeks ago

Their reasoning was that X11 network transparency had been broken for quite some time. If you tried running chrome, most games, or anything with modern hardware acceleration over X11 forwarding, they wouldn't work.

So, IMHO waypipe is actually an improvement in terms of compatibility, rather than a regression.

[-] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 6 points 4 weeks ago

You always had the option to send frames over the net using VNC and such. But for many use cases, X over SSH was absolutely fantastic.

I remember using it on a very basic DSL connection to work remotely back in 2005, and it was almost like running local. You don’t get anywhere near the same performance with VNC or RDP.

[-] Petter1@lemm.ee 5 points 4 weeks ago

It’s more about security if I recall correctly

[-] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 2 points 4 weeks ago

How so? Is there a way for malicious code to start injecting itself into calls to 127.0.0.1?

[-] Petter1@lemm.ee 3 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Sorry, I am not an expert myself, but I think there are some recourses about that in the internet

Or, this file on x.org:

“But the X protocol is still unsecure by design…”

https://www.x.org/wiki/Events/XDC2014/XDC2014DodierPeresSecurity/xorg-talk.pdf

[-] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 4 points 4 weeks ago

Yeah, to send it naked over the wire would be nuts, which is why everybody uses SSH. But unless there’s insecurity within the computer, that’s a moot point.

[-] lurch@sh.itjust.works 14 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

X11 can render individual windows (Xclients) through the network on another Xserver since decades. With XPRA you can even buffer them, to move them from one Xserver to another or make sure they survive network disconnect. It's very cool, but not widely used.

[-] potentiallynotfelix@lemdro.id 10 points 4 weeks ago

Yes, the ssh -X flag forwards it.

[-] rtxn@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

I doubt it's nearly as secure as OpenSSH though.

[-] lurch@sh.itjust.works 15 points 4 weeks ago

it goes through an SSH tunnel

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -3 points 4 weeks ago

Bottles and boxes are basically the Windows app.

[-] infeeeee@lemm.ee 24 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

No, it's just remote. Remote desktop is now also called Windows, also the operating system you are connecting to is called Windows.

Gnome has relatively good rdp support, so with this you could use Windows (the app) on Windows (the os) to connect to you Linux machine running Gnome.

It seems deliberately confusing naming is working as expected, Microsoft marketing team should get extra raise.

[-] FrostyCaveman@lemm.ee 8 points 4 weeks ago

Microsoft strategy 101. My “favourite” is the database called “SQL Server”

[-] pchela@lemmy.world 7 points 4 weeks ago

Doesn't everyone call it MS SQL anyway?

[-] kattfisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago

No they call it Sequel Server

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