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Don’t pass this man the rock when he’s hot🔥🏀🔥🥵HE WILL COOK! Edit: For context, she was saying “China is killing Americans” through opioids and saying Biden is helping China to kill more.

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[-] ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml 34 points 1 year ago

don't appreciate the low IQ dunk, it's ableist. We all need to be better about that imo

[-] go_on_home@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 year ago

Throwing in a shout-out to the fact that IQ is made up and was only created to support “race science”.

[-] ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That is blatantly wrong and no it wasn’t. It was created to help French school children with their studies by helping teachers understand where they were lagging behind and needed more help in. As “General Intelligence” was thought to be changeable and just a metric of how much people are educated in base subjects like math, vocabulary, reading, base problem solving, and pattern recognition. Something that IQ is decently good at quantifying. IQ is not a measure of “How smart” a person is.

The eugenics movement, racists, and Nazis used IQ for race science. But that came 20-30 years after the first usages of IQ.

They spread the myth that IQ is unchangeable and genetic, when in reality it is a metric that is affected by material conditions and education.

[-] go_on_home@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Eh, I would amend my original comment to say “our modern concept of IQ”. But even then, that feels overly pedantic. The fact that there existed some school assessment test that may have bore a similar name or structure to the modern concept of IQ seems a bit like saying “actually Nazis were socialist, it’s in the name”. The modern concept of IQ was made up by “race scientists.

[-] ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Again, no it wasn't. Alfred Binet created the concept of IQ levels, IQ tests, and the name IQ in 1904 for the French government to test children's abilities in schools.

It didn't bear a similar name or structure. It is literally the same thing as modern IQ and IQ tests. The tests created by Binet are nearly identical to modern tests (save for the exact questions of course).

Alfred Binet created modern IQ in nearly the same form it is today. IQ is a good metric to help in education and schooling, just like it was originally intended to be used for.

Race scientists twisted and lied about it.

[-] go_on_home@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago

I’m not sure how much I’m willing to concede on this. I’ll leave this convo after one laser push back on what I am perceiving as unnecessary pedantry.

What do people think of when someone says IQ? Do they think of some French scholastic aptitude test, or do they picture the “ unchangeable and genetic” as you said.

From your answer to that question I suppose you’ll either agree with my original statement that IQ as it is understood in common parlance is bunk and race science, or you will think I a weirdly picking on an aptitude test.

[-] ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 year ago

That feels more like a cultural problem. The west and America in particular hyper focus on IQ being a measure of intelligence.

That is bunk.

Where I am from it is viewed as a test given yearly to children in grades 1-8 to help see how they are doing and how they can be helped in the coming year.

The tests are identical. It is the American culture hyper focused on race that has made people believe in all these myths regarding IQ.

In fact, taking an IQ test as an adult where I’m from is bizarre and a bit comical. As that’s not what the test is for at all, and is silly.

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