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It's not about gays though, it's about children thinking they are trans.
Yes, there needs to be limits on the health care that is provided to children and parental concent.
There's nothing hypocritical about that.
What healthcare is given to children that you disagree with? Because most prominent medical organizations disagree with you about what we currently offer, which is gender-affirming care and puberty blockers. There's nothing surgical and nothing permanent.
I'm not really sure what you find needing limits to children there? Please explain.
This is a lie.
There are permanent effects to puberty blockers and the FDA has issued serious warnings.
Why do you care more about your ideology than protecting kids?
Why can't you just be honest?
Side effects are known to both children and parents when given because doctors are typically good at that. Of course, you don't seem educated, so here is a list of those side effects, and a show that they are rather safe: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/gender-dysphoria/in-depth/pubertal-blockers/art-20459075
Which ones do you believe are so serious that you want children to kill themselves instead?
It really shows how ignorant, bigoted, and stupid you are.
Link to them.
You can stop taking puberty blockers and then, unsurprisingly, go through puberty with very minimal side effects. This has been shown through peer reviewed studies to vastly improve the well-being of trans children.
Lol did my original comment get removed?
If you stop taking them later in life you will not go through puberty. Therefore it is misleading to say there are no side effects.
The side effects are not "minimal"
They are minimal to you because you are minimising them and that is dangerous. At least be honest.
The FDA has issued warnings against them for brain swelling and severe bone density issues.
But pumping kids full of amphetamine and Wellbutrin is perfectly natural, right?
They've been in use since I was a child, so like 20 years ago at least, and were often used to delay puberty when it started abnormally early for a child. They're perfectly fine.
If we want to talk specifically about the drug transphobes shit their pants over, Lupron, it has been in use since the mid-80s. And studies have shown that Lupron as well as other puberty blockers are, by and large, safe for kids. We have like 40 years of data on this.
Using them for that purpose is fine.
Using them to hold back puberty in children who believe they are trans has SEVERE medical repercussions.
That's only possible if there's a physiological difference between someone trans and someone who isn't trans, that's present without any treatment. If trans people are distinctly different physiologically with all other things equal, that confirms the need for medicine and treatment. Your argument is still defeating.
And they would be correct to do so. Spreading misinformation in support of bigoted policy is bigotry.
Please explain why you think you know better than most medical organizations in fields of their expertise.
Most of those children KNOW they are trans. Do you have a problem with them too? Or is it just the one that think they are. Because for the ones that think they are, there’s therapy for them to get an understanding of what going on- but you conservatives are shutting that down.
So how about you tell me what’s to be done when that happens? What will we do about the ones that still think they’re trans when there’s nothing to help them under it?
Lastly…
What the fuck is wrong with someone being trans?
I disagree that children know they are trans.
You're trying to equate bigotry "there must be something wrong with trans" with the idea that "children do not have enough life experience to understand complex things like sex and gender"
I don't think children are smart enough not to shove a pencil up their nose, and you think they understand things like sex, gender expression, parenthood, and sexuality?
And you think children can decide they are trans?
No.
This kind of rhetoric has to stop.
Children cannot decide if they have gender dysphoria.
You're right.
If you don't think children understand things like sex or gender, then we should teach them that queer people exist, and we should probably allow them to express their gender identities however they want, because if they don't fully understand it, giving them a safe space to try out different identities when younger so that they are in a position to make difficult decisions like identity at crucial points in their life, like the need to take puberty blockers.
That is a really progressive stance, thank you for being an ally.
I think children are smarter than people like you give them credit for, and therapy can help them figure out how they feel and allow them to make sense of it all.
Children need advocacy, not people that think they’re not smart enough to tell when they don’t feel right.
Please don’t have children, and stay away from those of others. People like you should not be weighing in on the mental health of children.
The existence of minorities conservatives want to oppress is not up for debate.
It's about conservatives' stated goal of eradicating trans people. A goal you're furthering in this thread.
A parental concent, like an Aerosmith show?