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Why don't you just make your point? I made mine and it's killing is wrong.
So, Warsaw ghetto uprising during WW2 when subjugated poles rose up and began killing their nazi prison guards. You would call this a both sides is wrong situation?
And if not, I see no reason for you not to consider the palastinians with the same ideals as that of the poles.
And if so, I respect your pacifism.
Why do I have to choose sides to believe that killing people is wrong?
I see your point with WWII, but that's not this situation. I would personally never kill anyone, it's against my ideals. No fire burns that hot inside me.
I get that, like I said, I respect the pacifism, but can you at least not accept the validity of self defence in the face of genocide? Even if you were to accept that you yourself never could bring yourself to that? I took don't believe I could kill a person over it, but I do not blame those who have been pushed to that point of that makes sense
Self-defense, non-violence are clearly not the same thing as pacifism. I can agree to that. But then the view of victim can be awfully grey. And thank you for not being rude and trying to understand without judgement.
Don't give this bad faith actor the opportunity to claim they're anything more than the whataboutism troll that they are.
Great fantasy world you live in.
So if somebody does kill someone, we should not hold them accountable?
Or the victims should not seek justice, should not retaliate? Should wait for someone else to seek justice for them? When would you find yourself willing to intervene?
You don't support yourself or come off as rational, and can only plug your ears, bury your head in the sand and ignore the world we live in.
My point is you're ignorant or lying in bad faith.
Whoa, chill out. If you think I'm wrong for saying killing people is wrong, you need help. You could slice me limb from limb, but you can't stop violence with more violence.
If violence worked, why has this area been warring for so long?
Remind me how they stopped Hitler.
Remind me how long the conflict in Israel/Palestine has been going on. More bombs doesn't seem to end it.
I'll remind you, and myself, to not feed the trolls.
I think you'd be an unreliable ally at best and a coward towards anything that doesn't effect you personally.
If you were anything more than a voice on the Internet our relationship would be put to the wind.
I would love to see your evidence of any non-violent society existing for any period of time. I don't need to hack you limb from limb to stop violence, I also don't believe violence has a single ignition point, and it's obvious you do
Kumbaya yourself under the Russian Pontoon bridge you crept from under you faithless troll.
Whatever you have to tell yourself to justify killing people in your mind
I hope you find whatever peace that seems to be evading you.
My point is you're being deliberately naive and if you thought for more than 2 seconds you'd find yourself supporting interventionism.