Exposing the biggest lies ever told about animals, food and veganism. My full talk from Vegan Camp Out 2025.

Key Topics Discussed:

✅ The biggest lie about veganism and why people still believe it

✅ Are meat and dairy really necessary for protein and calcium?

✅ The truth behind “happy cow” marketing and factory farming reality

✅ Richard Berman and anti-vegan campaigns like “PETA Kills animals”

✅ Why going vegan is harder than people think (and how to break free)

I care for animals, realizing caring for some pets is not the same compassion, and not so fair, when the animals that are pets would have no care for any protection with happening to not be the pets they are.

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.vg/post/3654190

To answer the question of whether the animal rights movement and the veganism movement are the same, their philosophical and sociological differences will be discussed by someone who has been an animal rights vegan for decades. This will include a brief history of the two philosophies/movements and how they intersect today. Understanding whether they have now merged into a single movement or are somehow still separate is useful to understand the dynamics of the current animal rights movement – including tribalism and infighting – and assess how it will evolve in the future.

A review of published meta-analyses examining protein supplementation found no evidence supporting intake beyond 1.6 grams per kilogram of body weight daily, according to an analysis by cardiologist Eric Topol. The review examined multiple randomized controlled trials encompassing thousands of participants. The most widely cited Morton study, which included 1,863 participants across 49 trials, showed no statistically significant benefit at higher protein levels, with a p-value of 0.079.

There will be some variations in the vegetables I use for a cooked meal that is usual for me, but more of those are generally the same, you know, some kind of pasta noodles with those, when it is not cut up potato I cook, or quinoa, or rice which is generally brown rice, with the hummus and salsa, and seasonings, I found guacamole without dairy and I can add some of that to it too, once in a while a bit of dried seaweed too.

There is the help for this way for WFPB,
https://shop.forksoverknives.com/pages/beginner-guide

I can't remember for the life of me. It almost tasted like pate, it's not a brand it's a type of food. It was pinky purple, and was great fried and mixed with pasta or with mash and veg.

I think it started with a P? I've not had it in years and want to buy it

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Hail Seitan!

Regarding The Satanic Temple:

https://thesatanictemple.com/blogs/the-satanic-temple-tenets/there-are-seven-fundamental-tenets

There Are Seven Fundamental Tenets:

I - One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.

II - The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.

III - One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.

IV - The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.

V - Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.

VI - People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any

harm that might have been caused.

VII - Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.

Since in the modern age we can obtain all of the nutrition we need from a well-planned plant-based diet, by buying & consuming animal products, we participate in unnecessary cruelty to sentient beings

I can make an argument that being non-vegan in the modern age is violating all seven of these tenets

Tenet I : It's neither reasonable, nor compassionate or empathetic, to needlessly exploit & take the life of a creature when we have moral agency & alternatives, unlike other animals.

Tenet II : It's true that it's legal to exploit & unalive animals today, but it was also legal to own slaves in the past. Just because we're legally allowed to do something doesn't mean we should.

Tenet III : One's body being inviolable and subject to their own will alone should extend to all sentient beings. If it doesn't, Name The Trait in a way that doesn't lead to contradiction or absurdity

That is - Name The Trait different between humans and other animals that makes it okay to do things to other animals that we wouldn't be okay with being done to humans.

I.e. justify the speciesist discrimination and double standard and differential treatment.

Tenet IV : We should be free to tell people they're hypocrites for loving dogs & eating cows, or even for participating in the exploitative pet industry instead of adopting/rescuing companion animals.

Even if this is offensive to people. It's freedom of speech and necessary for the activism and the struggle for justice that should prevail above laws and institutions (Tenet II).

To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of other sentient beings, is to forgo your own right to be respected like you would be if you first gave respect to other individuals (animals).

Tenet V : Insisting we need to eat meat or animal products to be healthy despite that disagreeing with scientific consensus, is distorting scientific facts to fit your beliefs,

& not conforming beliefs to your best scientific understanding of the world.

It's denying reality,

burying your head in the sand to avoid confronting the truth,

& living in ignorance & delusion & the willfull, unnecessary destruction & oppression of others, self, & planet.

Tenet VI : Assuming that we are already perfect & couldn't possibly be doing anything wrong or unjust, despite every historical society participating in normalized injustice, is not recognizing humans

are fallible.

And, when confronted with your mistake, in the form of what your kind have raised you to traditionally participate in regarding unnecessary systemic exploitation & violence to sentient beings,

if your response is to deflect, close your ears, & refuse to take personal responsibility or change any behavior, is to not do one's best to rectify it & resolve any harm that might have been caused.

then that is to not right the wrong and fundamentally unjust relationship between humans and other animals and resolve it into one of harmonious and respectful coexistence.

Rather than one of needless exploitation, domination, violence, cruelty, and oppression.

Finally, Tenet VII : To claim that because these tenets do not specifically mention an obligation to not exploit & harm non-human animals unnecessarily & to be vegan, that means it isn't entailed by

the values underlying them, is to not let every tenet serve as guiding principles designed to inspire nobility in action & thought & not allow the spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice to prevail

over the written or spoken word.

https://strawpoll.com/poy9kl5VPgJ

If you're vegan, please answer the poll question in the link above.

If you're not vegan, please don't answer the question. I'm only interested in hearing what vegans think about this.

To be clear, I don't judge any vegans for believing that humans matter more than other animals. You're already doing the right thing by being vegan, so that's fine. It probably wouldn't affect your actions or decisions in any situation, aside from hypotheticals that are extremely unlikely to happen. So I think that being vegan is compatible with what some may call speciesism or human supremacy etc - or favoring/prioritizing members of your own species - without placing a value judgment on that. As we all know, you don't NEED to consider all sentient beings as mattering equally, in order to recognize that non-human sentient beings matter more than "your tastebuds" - or your particular fashion preference or whatever - or than your mostly arbitrary habits that you can easily change, and when you can replace and meet all your needs with alternatives.

That said, personally I think all sentient beings matter equally. I'm willing to accept any supposed reductios that extend logically from this view - though I don't consider them absurd, I find them to be logically sound & I actually find it to be impossible to logically defend speciesism without that leading to even "worse" reductios that the majority of people would be even more appalled by, and which would be far more arbitrary and less benevolent/empathically oriented. But I'm not here to debate that. I just wanted to state what my opinion is on the matter.

I also think that the antispeciesism argument is a great and very convincing/effective argument for veganism/animal rights - it's convinced many people to go vegan, especially the "Name the Trait" thought experiment etc - so it's interesting to me when people are vegan despite not agreeing with those antispeciesist arguments, and I really respect that since it indicates to me that you extend compassion to other sentient beings without it needing to be logically proven why you should or why it would be contradictory if you didn't - it's just natural empathy.

Plus, of course, we often tend to associate veganism with antispeciesism, and speciesism with carnism/animal exploitation - since they very often go hand-in-hand, and I think speciesism is kind of a risky ideology for a society to believe in while simultaneously significantly devaluing nonhuman animals - to a status lower than a human's arbitrary desire to eat a particular candy for example, seeing it as a "personal choice" and "right of the human consumer" to do whatever they want to other sentient beings provided they aren't a more legally protected species like humans, dogs or cats - but we must remember that this doesn't have to be the case and it is perfectly possible to be vegan without thinking humans and other animals are equally important/hold equal intrinsic moral value, etc. Now, equal moral consideration - or equity - is certainly possible either way, even if you don't think they hold equal absolute worth.

Very interested to see the poll results, since I'm actually not sure whether most vegans think humans and other animals matter equally or not.

Just want an objective answer to the question, no trolls pls. Appreciate responses from vegans.

Whether temporary or not, the vegan boom has inspired some grocers to seek out more plant-based ice creams, cheeses and other products.

“They’re selling like crazy,” said Rosemarie Willett, who owns North Tisbury Farm & Market. Several times a day, customers who are loading up their grocery baskets break into impromptu conversations about life without meat and dairy.

And people are sticking to it even after the actual sensitivity goes away too

A number of people aren’t quite sure whether they have gotten over it or not because they’ve simply stopped eating meat and dairy.

“Some people say it’s the best thing that’s ever happened, and they’ll never go back,” even if their sensitivity vanishes, said Mr. Levy, the dietitian.

I know reasons to be vegan that I speak of and hope to see others hearing it are understanding them. Animals being used suffer continuously. Animals should be cared for. We do not need animal products for a healthy way we can have. Ending animal agriculture would help us to avoid greater number of extinctions, loss of environments, and climate catastrophe as well.
https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2022/02/new-model-explores-link-animal-agriculture-climate-change/

https://lemmy.world/post/33635406/18548107