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China kindergarten stabbing: Six dead in Lianjiang (www.bbc.com)
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[–] rustyfish@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They believe the Covid-19 pandemic, which forced Chinese cities to endure some of the longest and toughest lockdowns anywhere in the world, could be one reason. The after-effects are not well understood yet, but could include feelings of anger and resentment, and involve a loss of jobs, investments and relationships.

Other possible factors that are cited are the high stress and high expectations put on young men in Chinese society. These are exacerbated by high levels of youth unemployment and a widening rich-poor divide. One expert told the BBC a strong sense of "social deprivation" can lead some to use violence to vent their frustration against society.

Alright, this COULD explain why they go on a stabbing spree. But why children? Why the kindergardens? Because they can't defend themselves or is there more to it?

[–] Amongog@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

If it's despair because of the state the society is in, I could see someone targeting children to 'spare' them from what awaits them.
It's the same reason some parents kill themselves and their children when commiting suicide.
It's fucked up.

[–] TheGod@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sad for the kids.

If they had guns it would be over 40 deaths. This is important for all european and east asian nations to remember. Your gun policy works. Don't allow mass school shootings and street shootings

[–] Hardeehar@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Devil's advocate here, maybe he would've been stopped by a teacher with a gun before he got to even 1.

EDIT - or someone. If you were personally there with the ability to stop a madman with a knife and defend a child, are you saying you wouldn't use that power to stop him? I'm not talking anybody else here, I'm talking you, the reader.

EDIT2 - so what's the answer to this situation? I want to hear the ideas of those downvoting. Discourse is the opportunity, not a wall.

[–] Marsupial@quokk.au 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Reality check here: We see time and time again in the US that this “good guy with a gun” nonsense narrative happens 1 out of 100 times if that, but the mass victims happen 100 out of 100 times.

More lives would be saved by less larger murders than the off chance a hero is there with perfect aim and a clear shot.

[–] Hardeehar@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Still getting used to Lemmy! I'm not getting notifications about when I'm being responded to. I dunno.

The "good guy with a gun" thing is absolutely hard to swallow, I can agree with that. But you must concede that if it wasn't true, why would the President and most politicians making gun laws have a security detail with guys that are armed with guns? Why would the police carry guns? Why do banks have security guards that carry guns?

It's also a weird argument to say that I have a 1/100 chance of being rescued by a guy with gun Vs being killed.

So the answer to defending yourself or others from the guy with the knife is what? Wait for someone else, like Uvalde? Be a meat shield? Even if it's 1 out of 100, I would rather not wait to be hurt.

[–] HelixDab@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Obviously the problem is that there are too many knives in China, and it's too easy for civilians to get knives! No one needs a knife; the only purpose of a knife is to cut and stab. The only solution is to completely ban all knives in China.

...Or they could seriously address the social issues that lead to certain segments of their population committing this kind of atrocity.

Hmmm. I wonder where else that could be applied...?

[–] Anomandaris@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah man, let me just get my kitchen gun or my box shooter or my letter pistol.

Oh wait, sorry, it's not guns I'm thinking of that has many completely harmless uses, it's knives!

[–] HelixDab@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Love that people just ignore that violence doesn't happen in a vacuum, and since violence must happen in a vacuum without any causes at all the only solution is to remove the tools.

Guns are tools. A knife is a tool. A car is a tool. Even high explosives are tools.

BTW, I do have a kitchen gun, because that's where I need it when there's a problem bear outside. (Yes, bear - one of those 300+ pound animals with teeth and claws that are sometimes extremely aggressive.)

I assume that you want safe communities; would you be open to solutions that increase safety if they didn't involve removing firearms, or is that the only solution that you'd accept?

[–] Anomandaris@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Calling a gun a tool is intentionally misleading. A gun's sole purpose is as a weapon, using it any other way is a misuse of that "tool". Whereas knives have various practical purposes. Which was obviously the purpose of my initial reply.

In some cases, yes, having a gun is entirely legitimate (assuming used safely) such as protection from dangerous wildlife. But the number of legitimate cases does not even come close to justifying the number of guns, or the gun culture, in America. Violence doesn't happen in a vacuum, the presence of guns, the acceptance of gun culture, and the normalization of gun violence are things that contribute to the frequency of gun crime.

The removal of guns, and restricting of them to legitimate use cases IS dealing with the underlying social issues. But it's definitely only part of the solution, that alone is not enough, but nothing else will have a strong effect while so many guns are on the streets and easily accessible.

[–] HelixDab@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You've avoiding the question.

Would you be open to solutions that do not involve removing guns, or is that the only solution you would accept?

[–] Anomandaris@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But it's definitely only part of the solution, that alone is not enough, but nothing else will have a strong effect while so many guns are on the streets and easily accessible.

No I didn't, I think I was pretty clear. We need to reduce the number of guns available, nothing else will be effective until we do. I do believe any solution that does not involve removing guns at some point is incomplete. But removing guns on its own is not enough.

[–] HelixDab@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

No, you were quite clear; you aren't actually interested in real solutions, you're interested in gun control for the sake of gun control.

[–] luthis@lemmy.nz 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm opposed to the death penalty. No government should have that power over it's citizens.

That said, I'm not opposed to labeling people like this 'inhuman', so if anyone hits them over the head with a shovel until they're dead, it's the same as if it was a rabid dog they put down.

[–] macracanthorhynchus@mander.xyz 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

See "outlawry" or "homo sacer" for this concept from centuries and millenia ago.

[–] luthis@lemmy.nz 1 points 1 year ago

Thanks, I learned something!