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In an unexpected mask off "secure" email and VPN provider Proton took the stance of siding with the fascist MAGA Reps. Proton's services are no option for me and many others any longer. Let's collect and discuss alternatives (E2E encrypted email and VPN) here πŸ”πŸ‘‡

Always try to provide:

-Server location (jurisdiction)

-Governance

-Integrity/trustworthiness/transparency

-User experience/ease of use (grade 1 to 10, lets take Proton as a benchmark with an 8)

-Pricing and links

If you know alternative setups, feel free to share, too.

#ProtonExodus

Background: https://lemmy.ca/comment/13913116

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[–] Nicro@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 43 minutes ago (1 children)

I'm currently on Tuta, because I can't imagine Mail without a free tier. It's run out of Germany(EU). Its 3€ a month for the normal tier, free takes away most features. Like Proton, you need to use their (OSS)-Client, for encryption reasons. It's currently growing and I hope they don't go crazy anytime soon.

I was looking at Posteo, but I don't want my entire internet identity to be gone, if I ever can't pay for it.

[–] ShotDonkey@lemmy.world 1 points 28 minutes ago
[–] nightm4re@feddit.org 10 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I've said it in another thread: German users should consider posteo as a green, safe, and affordable (1€/M) alternative. https://posteo.de/de

[–] beegnyoshi@lemm.ee 2 points 41 minutes ago (2 children)

Never used it. Is there a reason why you mention German users, in specific?

[–] ShotDonkey@lemmy.world 5 points 28 minutes ago

No, anyone can use it, payed plans only though (1€ p month min)

[–] nightm4re@feddit.org 1 points 7 minutes ago

It's not limited to German users, but those might be especially inclined since it's a Berlin-based company πŸ™‚

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 20 points 2 hours ago

Remember when businesses stayed the fuck out of politics so they didn't alienate their customers because they like money? Pepperidge Farms remembers.

Thank fuck I didn't get that subscription, I was looking into getting a secure mail service. I engaged with people calling proton a CIA honeypot, investigating what was up with the rumors and I was about to jump into bed with proton.

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

Does DisRoot count ? It has a myriad of services that are all FOSS tools Has a "Hub-App" on Fdroid

[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 hours ago

I swear by Njalla, which is run by Peter Sunde

[–] therealjcdenton@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 hour ago

So literally one guy can change your entire network lifestyle?

[–] echolalia@lemmy.ml 13 points 5 hours ago

Trump's terrible politics aside:

  1. the Republican party is pushing legislation which requires you to identify yourself to view porn

  2. you can get around this with a VPN

  3. proton is a VPN (nonprofit, but still).

I'll be switching email providers when I can... I can't remember when my subscription ends.

[–] Onyx376@lemmy.ml 25 points 6 hours ago

Abandoning the Proton subscription now. How stupid and irresponsible. In fact, are running away from all your principles.

[–] avieshek@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago

Just looking for a free alternative..

[–] LemoineFairclough@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 hours ago (4 children)

It seems there aren't any exact replacements, but this probably lists service providers to consider: https://www.privacyguides.org/en/email/

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[–] bpev@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Yo so question for y'alls: what's your opinion on using custom domain (for portability) vs masked emails?

Rn I have my main emails on my personal domain, and then I have masked emails going through xxx@fastmail.com for more anonymity + segmenting (err i mean just being able to disable a certain address individually) . But watching all this reminded me that if I decided to move away from fastmail, i'm much more locked-in this way. Do y'alls use a custom domain for masked email as well? The one thing I don't like about that is that it'd be so easy to connect multiple accounts based on domain, so anonymity is probably kinda broken.

[–] sudoer777@lemmy.ml 2 points 25 minutes ago* (last edited 23 minutes ago)

I use a custom domain for basically all emails since I care more about portability than anonymity. Each account gets its own address, and if a site gets hacked and I start getting spam then I know which one it was. If I really wanted anonymity for something then I would use a randomly generated masked email.

[–] secretlyaddictedtolinux@lemmy.world 36 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

If a car company in Germany complemented Hitler on his paintings, would it be still fine to buy their cars? And what if they were a really great car company and only mentioned how cool Hitler's paintings were and nothing else?

I sort of feel like if I am cool with Proton's statement, then I also am cool with trans people and Latino people and Gazan people being treated poorly, and I'm not actually cool with that.

It's unfortunate, because despite Proton not accepting XMR and logging IPs when they promised they wouldn't and doing other questionable practices, they have a lot of great services. But now, it's like if I'm using their services, I'm sort of spitting on the grave of every trans person who ended their life out of shame, spitting on the grave of every dead Gazan who simply didn't want to die, and being disrespectful to all the cool Latinos out there who have been degraded simply out of racism.

:-(

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 25 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

A car company complimenting Hitler's painting is nothing compared to making business deals with Hitler. Ford and GM still have subsidiaries that operated and built for Nazi Germany despite the US declaration of war in World War 2.

Things haven't really changed. Corporations will typically side with fascists when it comes to it.

It’s all about profit, and right wing policies tend to facilitate that…for example reduced workers rights.

[–] mukt@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 hours ago

So, donation supported open source is the way ?

[–] yonder@sh.itjust.works 34 points 7 hours ago

Unlike a car which is bought once and is mostly outside of vendor control once you have it, Proton mail is a service that requires continuous trust in the company since they offer a service. This means I no longer trust Proton as much, which makes me much less inclined to use their services.

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