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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 48 minutes ago

I do believe a lot of people -- and the mainstream news media here in the states -- want to believe this is normal and this is fine the way Trump kept wishing on camera COVID-19 was going to just go away on its own, even as CDC discovered enough instances to declare it has infected the community (e.g. the American public) and could no longer be contained via specific isolation.

They are so desperate to for things to be normal that they want to justify the outrageousness as within the threshold of normal any way they can.

I'm not sure, but Trump behaves as if he likes pushing that envelope, much the way he forced Robert Kennedy Jr. to eat McDonalds to assert dominance.

[–] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Center here, it was a full blown nazi salute and every other european centrist I know also know it was a full blown nazi salute. We dont want to assosciate with the people saying it wasn't a nazi salute, they are either insanely stupid or undercover nazis.

[–] dafo@lemmy.world 2 points 30 minutes ago

Center-right, previously strong (not far) right. That was clearly two Nazi salutes done by a drugged out oligarch. There's no way around it.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 55 minutes ago* (last edited 53 minutes ago) (1 children)

As a European center, does that put you between the radical far left (community based government, right to eat, right to housing, right to education, medical care for all, meeting and exceeding the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights, etc.) and the radical far right (Monarchy, Totalitarian Oligarchy, the thing that Trump and Musk want, and will have to fight for)?

Or is it centrist as in between Neoliberal and MAGA?

The reason I ask is because here in the states Centrist means the latter, e.g. people who still hate the homeless and expect immigrants to go through (nonexistent for most) legal channels.

[–] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 1 points 36 minutes ago

It puts us at free education including university, free healthcare, shorter work week and days, human rights, right to self govern, limits to make housing affordable, electricity affordable, not to pollute, you know all the shit that we have and want to keep. Leaning left or right mostly means how you want the money for all that to come from and questions like how to deal with immigration. I personally believe the way to utopia is through making free specialized or higher education possible for even those who have nothing as educated population doesn't elect stupid ass parties, is wealthy and pays more taxes to support the society.

extreme left wants to use violence in order to get rid of everyone they deem unfit for their ideal society extreme right wants to use violence in order to get rid of everyone they deem unfit for their ideal society

[–] sumguyonline@lemmy.world 12 points 5 hours ago

When we say Mangione the 1%, we mean all of them.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 8 points 5 hours ago

Your scale is way off, the whole scale should be between right of centre and far right

[–] 5in1k@lemm.ee 56 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

I hate these filthy Neutrals, Kif. With enemies you know where they stand but with Neutrals, who knows? It sickens me.

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 19 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

If I don't survive, tell my wife hello.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 9 points 8 hours ago
[–] NutWrench@lemmy.ml 49 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

What exactly is the "context" for doing a full-on nazi salute? Other than to show everyone that you're a nazi?

[–] blady_blah@lemmy.world 11 points 4 hours ago

It's right out of Trump's playbook. You do something outrageous and evil, with just a smidgen of deniability.. it gets them attention. That's what they crave, to lead the news cycle, to be hated by the left but maintain enough deniability that the center and right will still be on your side. This is Trump 101.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 hours ago

Heat of the moment, not everyone you don’t like is a Nazi

At least those are the excuses I’ve seen

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 20 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

He said the magic words "my heart to you" clearly clarifies that his salute was meant to be that, duh /s

[–] blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 8 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

You mean well before what he actually said during the sieg heils

"It is thanks to you, that the future of civilization is assured."

=

Elon Musk inner thoughts: I should Nazi salute. Do it. Do it you pussy. Think of the news it'll generate. Think of all the votes, oh god I'll make all the democrats cry that I'm a nazi when I'm not even a nazi! Fuck, lets do it!

nazi salute

Oh god that was awkward as fuck. Okay, let's do it twice, then make sure they know I'm serious and it wasn't just some weird fucked up tic I do.

SIEG HEILS even harder

MMHPPHPHPHHHHHHHH SUCK IT AOC.

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 198 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

Multiple accidents in a row. Accidentally doing the same thing multiple times with a smile on your face. Enthusiastically making a mistake, repeating it, and not commenting about the mistake.

These are all examples of how people act when they make mistakes.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 81 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Also accidentally following a ton of Nazi accounts on Twitter and replying 'interesting!' or 'you're absolutely right!' whenever those accounts blame the Jews/globalists/immigrants for anything.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 14 points 8 hours ago

Also saying the afd was the way to save Germany

[–] Ahrotahntee@lemmy.ca 13 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

We need to stop using the word 'accident'. Accident my hole, he wanted to see if he could get away with it. So far he has.

[–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

it would have been better if it was a smile; he looked a bit too angry while talking "about his heart"

[–] LordOfLocksley@lemmy.world 30 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Only valid for the American political.

All my friends here in Europe, up to and including centre right, are the far left wojak in this meme

[–] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 hours ago

European here. Our centrists would be considered left by americans and not a single one I know thinks it wasn't a nazi salute who wasnt a right winger nut job.

[–] zaph@sh.itjust.works 34 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

A lot of people defending Elon but I still haven't seen Elon defend Elon. Concerning.

[–] LostWon@lemmy.ca 18 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

He reportedly did a tweet mocking people for calling him Hitler (which I saw elsewhere since I'm not a user of his site). Incredibly, of all people, the ADL also chirped out the same "it was an accident" line as the media.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 18 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

ADL? What's that? Aryan Defense League?

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 11 points 7 hours ago

Apartheid Defense League

[–] LostWon@lemmy.ca 12 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

The Anti-Defamation League is an influential NGO that's supposed to fight antisemitism. Probably because Trump has repeatedly shown a fondness for Netanyahu, they're apparently throwing Jewish people under the bus to sweep this under the rug.

*edit - Just occurred to me that might've been a joke. Doesn't hurt to have this up for those who don't know tho.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 hours ago

More like AIPAC Defense League

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[–] spencerwi@lemm.ee 83 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (3 children)

I feel like "noo it wasn't a Nazi salute, or uh, it wasn't intentional" is more of a "right of center" response instead of a "center" response, and "Elon Musk just did a Nazi salute on live TV" is closer to center, but otherwise this seems accurate.

Maybe the Overton window has shifted so far right that I'm wrong about that, though.

[–] djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 10 hours ago

The problem is that America has no mainstream centrist or leftist media. It's either center-right or far-right. The closest we get to a progressive are comics like John Stewart and John Oliver.

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[–] distantsounds@lemmy.world 99 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

No one does that on accident. This will be far worse than most expect

[–] idunnololz@lemmy.world 32 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

He also did it twice in a row.

[–] M137@lemmy.world 22 points 6 hours ago

He makes the face that a 12-year-old would make when trying to be cool and do something they're not supposed to. It's a recurring thing with him, both acting and looking like a shitty child.

[–] Rakudjo@lemmy.world 9 points 7 hours ago

Well, since he did it in the opposite direction, it cancels out the first one!

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 10 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Shift that center to the right a little more. I think the true center would say something like “Why are we still talking about Elon Musk?”

[–] BothsidesistFraud@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I doubt it. Even moderates understand that the richest man in the world getting his own White House department is novel and worth discussing.

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[–] danekrae@lemmy.world 47 points 13 hours ago (9 children)

And what do we do with nazis?

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