Asklemmy

I blame capitalism for this one. Misinformation and lobbying is very profitable. Using prior knowledge of what laws are coming into effect is also very profitable. Retiring and becoming a lobbyists is also.

In the US hard facts have become debatable and there's a shitty system that massively benefits two political parties.

I don't necessarily blame the people since the system is rigged against people's interest. They get mad and vote anti-establishment which is still very much the establishment.

I blame capitalism. It's profitable to keep Americans stupid.

I won’t associate with those fascist.

As a non-USian viewing all this from the outside, I'd say blaming the people at the bottom for what the largest gaslighting machine in the history of human civilization has managed to achieve is absolutely masochistic.

Your anti-democratic political establishment is to blame for this.

Trump voters knowingly voted for a rapist. That’s not hyperbole. It’s a matter of public record now. I think that’s all that needs to be said.

I blame them all to the fullest extent

You highlight an important point: the fascists are fascists because their primitive lizard brain responds to hear and insecurity with tribalism.

And we have the same lizard brain.

Point being: fascists aren't stupid or inferior, and we need to constantly be on guard to reject the same instincts in ourselves.

Having said that: they are adults, and they should be held responsible for their own adult decisions.

Fuck anyone who actually voted for trump. Period. Edit: it’s on them to try to redeem themselves

Whether they acted out of malice or ignorance, they bear the same moral culpability for the consequences of their vote. They have a social responsibility to ensure they are informed and vote accordingly; everyone should be able to spot fascism and authoritarianism when they see it.

Some of the folk who swallowed the propaganda and want to erase folk like me from the planet may have been conned, but however they got there, their goal is still to hurt other people.

I blame them completely. Voters are not children. You're responsible for your own actions.

Trump has been trash since the 1980s. He was a garbage president in 2016. If you "fell for it" in 2020 and/or 2024, you're dumber than dirt.

Who else should we blame? Trump won the popular vote, so it was those who voted for him who caused this. Whether they’re dumb as shit or not doesn’t change that.

100%

It's not like we can even blame it on the fire hose of misinformation the Trump campaign will never be able to stop themselves from shitting out

Trump has already been president. He failed so hard that he lost by over 7 million votes after just 4 years and 2 impeachments while in office.

Then he was found liable for rape and had to pay millions, then he was convicted on 34 felony counts of fraud, and still he was still on the hook for federal indictments for his attempt to overthrow the government in 2020 in which not only did many participants serve prison time for, some died in the process of it. Many of Trump's own officers were also convicted. Giuliani has been sued into bankruptcy and has been disbarred for what Trump asked him to do.

Yeah. That seems like a good idea to give that guy power again. /s

Trump objectively represents the worst that America has to offer to itself and the world.

He lied his ass off to get his first term, no one learned from that.

I genuinely felt sorry for his victims that first time.

Then he lied his ass off for a 2nd term.

This time, I feel like people deserve what they get this time.

To me, they're just as culpable as Trump this time. Every horrible thing that happens this time have zero hesitation to remind people that they voted for it.

A lot.

I know there's a proportion that were simply ignorant and tuned out of politics... but most Trump voters did so over the very loud objections of trans relatives or while openly embracing the nativism.

Lastly, I think that Harris did a terrible job advocating for her election and she owns a fair portion of the blame as well.

Trump wasn't an unknown this time. He attempted to subvert our election process and he's a convicted rapist. He openly embraced corruption during his last term and is already shilling crypto bullshit.

Trump voters are terrible selfish people - end of story.

They ate the propaganda. I can't really say its their fault, propaganda is why they did what they did, the fault lies with those who promoted far-right propaganda.

How much do you blame Germans? As in the ones from 1940s?

We might not have started killing people yet but the signs are here, for anyone who cares to know their history. We had a Nazi salute at the inauguration for Christ sake.

Yeah. It's shocking that your friends and neighbors are party to this. It was to many Germans too.

There is literally no difference between a Trump supporter/voter and a Nazi