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[–] Etterra@discuss.online 5 points 18 hours ago
[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 1 points 19 hours ago

To shreds you say?

[–] inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 67 points 1 day ago (21 children)

The democrats know all these things and don’t care. they’re just as much in service to the billionaires as the republicans.

[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

They'd rather lose to Republicans than cross their "donors."

The gravy train runs to both parties as long as they protect this sociopathic grift of an economy from the people it enslaves. The DNC would consider winning on a platform of ending oligarchy (which could only ever happen with a left wing populist that steals the party out from under them like Trump did to the GOP, solely to steal their grift machine in his case) a catastrophic defeat and national crisis on the level we wish they'd treat Trump like.

It's why leaders like Nancy Pelosi make it their mission to sabotage spoiler members (because both parties promote on the basis of being a good bribe getter and taker) like AOC. She spent weeks before Trump was inaugurated making calls to prevent AOC's committee leadership bid. There's the DNC's priorities.

Our whole captured government is a game of neoliberal/fascist-good cop/bad cop. Do you want to waste your life enriching sociopath would be pharoahs with affirmation ribbons or scapegoats? A con game we can't stop playing as we're exploited dry.

[–] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 1 day ago (16 children)

Liberals don't care. Socialists / progressives do care. Bernie and AOC have consistently fought to expand class consciousness and to fight against the growing wealth disparity

[–] Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The "liberals" you speak of are just conservatives larping as liberals

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 0 points 17 hours ago

The word for a liberal that cares about class consciousness is "Error: undefined. Did you mean socialist?"

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[–] KnowledgeableNip@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Controlled opposition.

But still better than whatever is happening now. I can't imagine a Nazi salute at Kamala's inauguration.

[–] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

True, liberals are the lesser evil compared to neocons and fascists.

But the top 100 richest billionaires grew their wealth by 63% under Biden so liberalism still inevitably leads to extreme wealth disparities that erode democracy until neo-feudalistic oligarchy is all that will remain

[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The democrats know all these things and don’t care.

Kevin Phillips, the Republican architect of the "Southern Strategy, has a vastly different view. He essentially said, in his book, "American Dynasty", that Republicans think of the working class as dirt to be used however they royally please, while Democrats at least acknowledged that the working class enabled them to be where they are and supported them.
BYTW, Kevin Phillips, who is very politically knowledgeable, is now extremely disillusioned with Republicans and generally hates both parties.

[–] inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

Maybe that was true in 2004 when it was published but it is no longer true. Both see the working class as dirt.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 16 points 1 day ago (10 children)

I generally avoid painting them all with a single brush like that.

Some absolutely are bought off like you describe. But an awful lot are not — the big problem we've had is that the contingent of the bought off Democrats plus the Republicans has been enough to block meaningful action, even when the Democrats have had a nominal majority.

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[–] sudo42@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The last 3 elections have shown there are only two groups: Republicans and Republicans that get paid less.

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[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 86 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It's not gonna get better until the people start to stir shit. Remember that.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 49 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

Actually, that's part of what he is aiming for. He wants mass protests so he can enact Martial Law. That was literally part of the plan on January 6th, 2020, to enact a State of Emergency. He's just looking for excuses to put the hammer down on American citizens.

Not to say that's a reason to not stir shit. They're looking for excuses to ramp up the violence anyway, even if you try to keep your head down. Keeping our heads down won't save us from it, so stir away.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

He was pretty keen on using violence against his opponents last time, and BLM still stressed resources to the point where enforcement had to have pretty limited objectives. I think people overestimate just how actually powerful the police (and by extension the military trying to support the police) are in the face of popular uprisings. Every state, even the US with its giant military and police state, relies on individual fear to prevent uprisings.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The police were not authorized to use deadly force last time. I doubt Trump will be so lenient this time.

Spraying bullets into crowds with automatic weapons is a pretty effective way to stop an uprising.,

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 day ago (9 children)

If that were true all the dictatorships in the Middle East would still be (the same) dictatorships. Soldiers aren't killbots and massacres have a way of spawning more resistance.

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[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 100 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Doesn't matter now. He's rapidly destroying the regulatory infrastructure and sending his brown shirts out to sow fear and confusion. He is a fascist, the rest of the Republican party are his enablers, and things are going to get super mega shitty before they get better.

If they get better.

[–] littlewonder@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

We talkin' about President Elon or his dick sucker, Donald?

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 68 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

He’s rapidly destroying the regulatory infrastructure and sending his brown shirts out to sow fear and confusion.

It's literally the playbook from Bush's "Shock and Awe" campaign turned on US citizens (minus the indiscriminate bombing). It amounts to the same thing, though. It's a blitz, do so much so fast it sets everybody off balance and puts them in a state of shock.

Shock and awe (technically known as rapid dominance) is a military strategy based on the use of overwhelming power and spectacular displays of force to paralyze the enemy's perception of the battlefield and destroy their will to fight.

Project 2025 wants to shock people into obedience. The flurry of Executive Orders are part of this shock treatment, as are the deportations, and roadblocks suddenly thrown up in front of government agencies. They intend to shock us and cripple our ability to respond via governance.


EDIT: Turns out, Klein agrees.

Trump is a rolling shock machine, which a recipe for keeping us scattered and reactive to the latest shocking news. There will be moments when we need to react forcefully and meaningfully to protect one another.

[–] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It’s literally the playbook from Bush’s “Shock and Awe” campaign turned on US citizens (minus the indiscriminate bombing).

So far. I do not doubt that we are looking down the barrel of a return to the days when American citizens were bombed by their own government as they did in 1921 and 1985.

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (5 children)

He is a fascist, the rest of the Republican party are his enablers

The rest of the Republican party are his sycophants and subordinates. It's the "moderate" Democrats who are his enablers, through inaction.

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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 55 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

AP has a new poll out which asked whether people think it’s a good or bad thing that the President “relies on billionaires for advice about government policy.” When I first saw the results of this poll as “good” coming in at “+12” I thought they meant ‘net’ 12% and I thought, ‘eeeesh, the honeymoon phase is more intense than I thought!’ But no, 12%: as in, 12% of the public think it’s a good thing. 60% think it’s not. That’s US adults. The only outliers are Republicans, 20% of whom think this is a good thing. But even that is pretty feeble. To put it simply, these are terrible numbers.

In a strange way, this is reassuring. I've said a lot of times the most frustrating thing about all of this isn't that the conservatives are too stupid to see the forest for the trees. No, they see a lot of the same shit we do, but their dedication to hierarchy is what undoes them every time. They could technically agree with me about an issue, but I'm not a person they consider an Authority Figure, and the only people they do respect as Authority Figures are, to put it fucking mildly, abusive bullies.

It's also that misinformation has succeeded. What I assume is due to primarily a lack of quality education, but they seem incapable of understanding nuance. So they see that, say, the New York Times may not be trustworthy when discussing certain issues, just like I do. However, unlike myself, instead of reading it anyway with a skeptical eye while also digesting other sources about the same issue, they instead write off all mainstream media sources and then believe crazy shit online. They don't know who to trust anymore, so they trust the most wild charlatans that exist. That's not their fault, to be fair, our mainstream media has been failing us for decades. I worked in local news during the Iraq War and I remember how much the media juiced the war for the Bush Administration while asking few questions and the NYT even sat on the NSA wiretapping story for over a year to help Bush.

They're not wrong to not entirely trust legacy media, but they end up throwing the baby out with the bathwater. In the end, they also see how letting the most obscenely wealthy run the show isn't such a hot idea. Which is strangely reassuring, as I said. They know something stinks, but they lack the education and tools to properly identify it, as well as their inability to break out from hierarchical thinking.

[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I mean if polling were votes...

If you jumped into Lemmy in the last 4 years and read nothing else, you'd be ABSOLUTELY sure that Biden/Kamala would win the election.

"the poll margin error is 3.9%"

LMAO 🤣

People, if polling were votes, we wouldn't even have this discussion

As it stands, the stun-lock advances right along

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[–] nonentity@sh.itjust.works 32 points 2 days ago

Don’t eat shit.

Mulch the rich.

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