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[–] hillbicks@feddit.de 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have to say I'm really impressed with James Vowles. The way he leads the team by example and shields them from unfair or unjust criticism is just refreshing to see. Williams seem to have a long term plan and want to stick with it, which seems very reasonable to me in this kind of environment. You won't make any significant progress by changing direction every couple of months.

I also appreciate the context they provide which is especially important in such a competitive sport. I really hope Sargeant can continue to improve, he seems like a good kid and I wouldn't want to change seats with him. You could feel the pressure when he tried to force a correction in suzuka qualifying by just using brute force in the last corner. you could feel the desperation and it was horrible.

Oh, and one other issue. I think the incident in the race with bottas was at least 50/50 between the two. If you watch the replay, sargeant already locks up his front right before valteri is even alongside him and it only got worse after that. Once he unloaded the front left and locked up, there was no stopping the car before the apex. valteri never had a chance making it on the outside. Sure, sargeant locked up, but valteri can't say he was surprised by this since the lock up already started before he overtook him.

[–] stephen01king@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bottas could easily have not seen the lock up, so to say it's 50/50 is a stretch, really. To me, Sargeant is still completely at fault, but it's obvious it's a rookie mistake rather than actually dangerous driving, so it doesn't really make him a bad driver.

[–] hillbicks@feddit.de 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

That seems fairly obvious and hard to miss.

[–] stephen01king@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, I see it. So he should be able to see Logan locking up. However, looking back at the footage, I can see that there really isn't much Bottas could do to avoid the crash other than going off track along with Sargeant, since that's where Sargeant was heading if he didn't had contact with Bottas.

He was moving too fast to brake and cut under Sargeant before they both go off the track.

So, he might have shared some blame for the crash happening instead of him being run off track, but I still disagree to your claim that the fault is 50/50.

[–] hillbicks@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

Well, for me it is the same with road traffic. Even if you're not at fault, if there is a chance the incident could've been avoided by driving "defensively", then you should try that.

But in the end it is just semantics and I guess we agree. Main culprit is sargeant here, but he is from a dangerous driver. I mean, look at what nervousness does to Perez, so it is no wonder that Sargeant doen't feel all that confident currently.

Enjoy the rest of the season dude!

[–] stephen01king@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Your image is not loading for me. Do you have any mirrors?

Edit: Nvm, it suddenly loads after a while.

[–] UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Damn dude, he had a family

[–] stephen01king@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't understand this comment. We are having a discussion here, not a gotcha argument. Why would him providing a good source for his arguments be something I would consider a negative.

[–] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 15 points 1 year ago

I think it sets a good precedent that rookies get a chance to get a couple of seasons. If you write off a rookie half way through the season then you're not going to get any confidence from any future rookies. Plus there's fuck all testing time now, so a lot of the season is just getting used to the car.

[–] wyrmroot@programming.dev 11 points 1 year ago

Logan has very clear targets that he has to hit before the end of the season and we're working with him continuously,

I read that as they haven’t given up hope yet but are by no means saving the seat for him if he can’t get his shit together.

[–] Dmian@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I never thought about it, but what will happen if a team hits that year’s budget cap, and the driver crashes? Will they be allowed to spend more to repair the car?

The driver races on foot obviously

[–] frank@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 year ago

It's more of a "let's review what you spent last year" than a rolling totalization. So if a team was really that concerned they could abstain from a race, but I imagine they have stuff budgeted much better than that, even the shit show teams

[–] Hillock@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No, they wouldn't be given an extra budget. That would defeat the purpose of the cost cap. If they go over it they will get penalized accordingly. Spare parts are part of the cost cap for a reason. If a team knows they would go over the budget by building a spare part they have to make the decision on whether to take the penalty or not participate in the race.

I tried to find out the exact dates but I couldn't find it so I have to make assumption. I just highly doubt the financial season of the cost cap ends with the last race. I assume the season will roll over some time later. So any team would budget a proper safety buffer for spare parts which they can just burn in development after the last race. And adjust their budget for mid-season development if there have been more crashes than anticipated. In a normal season spare parts from crashes make up less than 5 mil, which is about 3.5% of the cost cap.

Also don't forget that a lot of the more expensive parts teams still have used ones lying around. If an engine blows in the last 1-2 races I doubt they will build a new one and just re-use an old one. Same with gearboxes, power units, and some other parts. Especially if they are aware they are uncomfortably close to the cost cap.

[–] danielfgom@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

I'm glad they are supportive but at the end of the day, the budget only goes so far. If they are spending budget on repairs that's less money for development. Which means a slower car, and even less money next year.

I hope he comes right because he seems like a nice guy and it would be good to see an American driver in F1 long term.

[–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I feel like all rookies should get at least 1.5 seasons before you look elsewhere. If there’s little to no improvement then drop them but dropping rookies off the grid because they don’t exceed expectations in a back market is ridiculous. Especially since there is fuck all testing time anymore