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[–] galanthus@lemmy.world 4 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Russians actually call russian salad "olivier", after the guy who made it, but it was invented in Russia by a man that was born there, so I am not sure you can say it is French.

[–] ooli2@lemm.ee 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)
[–] galanthus@lemmy.world 5 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucien_Olivier

I suppose he was of franco-belgian descent, but he was born in Russia, raised in Russia, died in Russia, and invented his salad in Russia as a chief of a russian restaurant.

Even the french agree: "Lucien Olivier est un chef russe d'origine franco-belge" - from Wikipaedia.

Also:

"Nationalité - russe"

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 5 points 11 hours ago

Technically the French call the puff pastries most countries seem to equate to typically French (the croissant f.i.) after Vienna. Those are called Vienoiseries

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

What's with the Health Hazard?

[–] mercano@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago

Probably lutefisk, fish cured in lye.

[–] bricklove@midwest.social 9 points 17 hours ago

Rotten cabbage rocks, especially the Korean varieties

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 76 points 1 day ago (5 children)

"The Vast Atlantic Ocean" is 😙🤌

[–] Klear@sh.itjust.works 1 points 43 minutes ago (1 children)

"😙🤌" is overrated though...

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 1 points 19 minutes ago

Chef's kiss is overrated?

[–] smeg@feddit.uk 14 points 1 day ago

Cruel, heartless, totally deserved. Appropriate friendly banter.

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[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 13 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (2 children)

"Ice cube salad"?

Our Finnish cuisine is so non-existent people can't even make jokes about it.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 3 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

"You like black licorice? We can fix that."

[–] conc@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I craaaave salmiakki sometimes. Keep a stash on hand for those times. Delicious stuff.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 hours ago

Better you than me.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

Uuuhh... the starvation bark bread? I think there was a reindeer meat pizza that one some award.

Whatever, our own one thing is a vaguely modified American dish, and comes from Quebec, so you're not alone.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

That's not cuisine, that's a dish. It's a Finnish dish, but the cuisine is technically Italian.

We don't have a cuisine in the same way in the North as mainland Europe does. Like do you know what the national dish of Finland is? Karjalanpaisti, Karelian stew. Which when traditionally made, has the following ingredients ONLY; beef cubes, pork cubes, a mildly salted pot of water.

Heat for several hours.

That's it.

Like people joke about how bland British food is but it's literally on fire compared to our traditional dishes. Like a shepherd's pie made with a red wine and even bland-ish British spices would be absolutely gorgeous compared to Karelian stew.

I think the national dish really reflects the Finnish spirit well though.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

Mongolian "cuisine" is kind of the same. At some point you're far enough north meat is the only reliable ingredient. It's remarkable how well the Koreans and Russians have managed to make out, really.

I think the national dish really reflects the Finnish spirit well though.

In which way do you mean?

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago

Well Mongolia is quite a bit further South than even the furthest part of Finland. Finland being around 59° and Mongolia 52°. But it's warmer here, more likely. Because we get some of the warming effects of the Gulf.

Mongolia is mostly desert and we have the sea and forests. My point here being there's tons of plants and whatnot. I understanding having to eat just horse if there's literally nothing else around, but... spices would've been more common in that part of the world though, so I wonder if the meat got some spices?

We didn't really even have peppers lol. Could've just thrown in some thyme and carrots and onions and whatnot at the least.

I've also heard a thing in which sometimes in hot parts of the world like say India, some of the heavy spice mixes originated because the lower classes would often have near spoiled meat and you wanted the spices to make up for the poor quality.

Here in Finland storing meat wouldn't have been much of an issue because of the cold.

I think the national dish really reflects the Finnish spirit well though.

In which way do you mean?

Half pigs, half cows, mildly salty and without any passion (spice).

[–] guaraguaito@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 23 hours ago

I think this belongs more in !cartographyanarchy@lemm.ee

But I chuckled so thanks for sharing

[–] Ethalis@jlai.lu 35 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Meh, "proper cuisine" is definitely accurate since it's our national pride, but most of the others don't really feel like french stereotypes. "Soggy pastry" for Denmark even sounds suspiciously american, I've never heard anyone say that about this country in France and I don't even know what it's referring to

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah as a Scandinavia living in france, all that part is totally off too.

The Meatball thing? Sounds amerikanish too, def not french.

[–] felykiosa@sh.itjust.works 6 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

The meatball thing came from Ikea 100%

[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

We stole them bad boys from Turkey iirc.

[–] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Oh? Like the US and their statue of liberty? Or the Dutch and their tulips?

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 1 points 36 minutes ago

The statue was given by the french, but the USA started by giving one to France IIRC (they paid for the first one in Paris if I got that correctly). It's obviously smaller, you can see it on one of the bridges in Paris.

Actually there are a whole bunch of them in Paris, that's a little rabbit hole if you're curious.

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[–] Engywuck@lemm.ee 8 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

LOL, that's funny. As an italian, I regret not having tried real french cuisine yet.

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[–] lime@feddit.nu 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"inventors" is the best diss i've ever seen for modern swedish food

i asked a friend from italy what she thought about our pizza and she basically said "as long as i don't think of it as pizza it's fine"

she and her bf would regularly hang out with the guy who ran the only italian pizzeria in town and they would shit-talk our food for hours. mad respect.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 points 13 hours ago

Authentic Italian pizza was apparently invented before the circle.

[–] naeap@sopuli.xyz 7 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Marie Antoinette?
What cuisine should that be?

[–] qarbone@lemmy.world 10 points 20 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 15 hours ago

A fillet of some kind.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Chicken Tikka Masala was invented in the UK. I can't think of a single item of French cuisine I would choose over Chicken Tikka Masala.

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 3 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

I know it's part of your transition period and are forced by law to continue the 100 year war on a culinary manner.

I'd say that the proper French culinary colonialist equivalent to the Tikka Massala is the Bahn Mi sandwhich and that feels like a proper match for it.

But now come up with a dish that doeesn't take any inspiration from former colonies and I think most of them can be beaten by a simple onion soup

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

I can’t think of a single item of French cuisine I would choose over Chicken Tikka Masala.

you're insulting yourself and CTM more than french cuisine there mate.

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[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 5 points 21 hours ago

More like according an American person who identifies as French.

[–] smeg@feddit.uk 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] agegamon@beehaw.org 3 points 15 hours ago

Thanks for mentioning, I didn't know about this. Just subbed!

[–] andresil@lemm.ee 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It's ironic that they've missed out Ireland, throwing some great hunger shade.

[–] ooli2@lemm.ee 1 points 13 hours ago

I supposed the joke was that non existent GB was that they dont even do cuisine

[–] jlow@beehaw.org 1 points 14 hours ago

Yeah, I was like: O no, the French dislike te British too much to even insult them? 😸

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