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[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 101 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This is neither novel, nor morally acceptable. People that do this work usually end up traumatized for life, because of the fucked up shit they often have to look at. Prisoners are not really in a position to negotiate, meaning you can push this work on them in a sort of non consentual way that is below what modern society should strive for.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you actually really the article, she's parsing real estate news articles.

Most AI jobs do not involve CP.

[–] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Rule number 1 on Reddit is: “never read the article “

I guess that still applies here.

Rule 2: “disagree with everyone”

Rule 3: “You’re always right”

Rule 4: “everyone else is always wrong“

I’m sure there are lots of other rules, but that should get anyone started in the modern social media.

[–] hh93@lemm.ee 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Training an AI is not traumatizing - what you think it is moderating public networks

Unfortunately one major sector of image machine learning is CSAM scanning, which was also recently revealed as one of the major funding parties for the planned legislation intended to allow scanning all private communication in the EU. But generally i agree most of the things they will see might not be too bad by themselves but its still a job no human really wants to do of their own free will. If they do decide to do it, it is either out of a lack of choice or because they dont know what they are getting themselves into.

[–] Vipsu@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Prisoners are not really in a position to negotiate, meaning you can push this work on them in a sort of non consentual way that is below what modern society should strive for

Well the article does mention that the prisoner "Marmalade" was not forced to do any of this.
In fact the article mentions that she could have spend her time in her cell, doing online courses or doing chores for the prison for little cash. The fact that wired managed to just book an interview with the prisoner also makes it quite risky for the company to subject the prisoners to any traumatizing material.

The only problem I really see with this is the fact that this doesn't really prepare the prisoners for live outside the prison in any way.

[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 54 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Slavery out of prisoners isn’t novel.

[–] Hala@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

It's volunteer work that they get paid for.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Someone didn't read the article

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Damn, Finland about to find out how to create a powerful prison system for cheap labor!

Took a page right out of America.

[–] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago

We don't allow privatizing prisons, but let's not give the current cabinet any ideas

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Prison labour is nothing new here. Afaik it's voluntary though

[–] Sibbo@sopuli.xyz 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The article gives a really nice perspective on how morally questionable this is.

The company gets cheap, Finnish-speaking workers, while the prison system can offer inmates employment that, [the company] says, prepares them for the digital world of work after their release.

Yeah sure, doing more data labelling? I highly doubt data labelling gives anyone any skill besides date labelling. Luckily this article doesn't just accept the statement of the company, but questions it very critically.

[–] eltimablo@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Hey, that's not fair. What if there's a boom in companies that need to know if it's a hot dog or not in the next 10 years?

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

It's a bullshit sales speech but it doesn't sound morally questionable to me. It's little pay and mindnumbing work for sure, but also you volunteer for it so, eh, seems fine

[–] Cyberflunk@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This dystopia is really boring.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Idk man if you read the article, it's a pretty good system.

[–] moormaan@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Novel for clickwork is what the title means

[–] treefrog@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago

Prison labor to the tune of 6.50 per day.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

making prisoners do office jobs feels somehow fitting.

[–] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] Sabata11792@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's not slave labor. It's something entirely new, unnamed, and good for our local Earth based business owners.

[–] Chariotwheel@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

It's only slave labor if it's from the French region of slavé, this is just sparkling prison labour.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I mean it was mentioned that they're volunteers

[–] hh93@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Outside of the US kind of?

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

You think prison labour is novel in Finland? lol

[–] planish@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

When they told me AI technologies were inherently carceral I did not believe them