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[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So I'm guessing war with China just got promoted up the priorities list. Yay.

[–] FightingGirlfriend@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wonder how long it'll take for them to gear up for it though. They must be really scraping the barrel now, and it'll take years to bring up production. If that's even possible in a Gig economy.

[–] halfpipe@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

It's way too late at this point. Two decades of insane US foreign policy have forced China, Russia and Iran into a partnership, so instead of taking on China they'd be taking on all of Asia, and that's just not possible.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lindsey Graham did just say recently that the whole point of the war in Ukraine is to send a message to China.

[–] TheCommunismButton@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It probably didn't send the message he was thinking of

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Seems like the key message is that if you're gonna start shit then don't fuck around at the start trying to negotiate with the west.

[–] kig_v2@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A petulant and cruel child forcing its dog to fight other dogs, and then abandoning it when it isn't an instant win, out of boredom and a need to freshen up their egotistic social standing.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ukraine was an arrow. Whether it survived impact was secondary to whether or not it inflicted a wound.

[–] kig_v2@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Now THAT is a great metaphor!

[–] sovietsnake@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The recent almost shutdown kind of made it hard to give it more money to Ukraine if they wanted things to keep running.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The whole government shutdown was never going to happen. However, what they were trying to do was to approve money for Ukraine without a vote. While the vote will almost certainly pass in the end, it does open debate on the issue and that's what I think they were trying to avoid here.

[–] Doubledee@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not sure why though, honestly, wouldn't a vote pass overwhelmingly? The faction of the GOP that would actually vote against funding more aid to Ukraine is too small to stop the rest of the GOP and basically every Democrat.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago

It's going to pass, but this puts a spotlight on the spending and I'm pretty sure GOP will campaign on this as the election season ramps up. I expect in the next few months we'll see more and more republicans start to question proxy war spending and that's going to put increasing pressure on the dems.

[–] Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So are they sending ATACMS or not?