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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/25857381

Hellwig is the maintainer of the DMA subsystem. Hellwig previously blocked rust bindings for DMA code, which in part resulted in Hector Martin from stepping down as a kernel maintainer and eventually Asahi Linux as a whole.

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[–] Thesilverpig@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Are we hating on Linus here or agreeing with him? I'm so out of the loop.

[–] Czele@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

Excuse me sir why would You ever disagree with our king linus

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 18 points 10 hours ago
[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 40 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

A lot of people commenting on this seem to have gaps in their knowledge of what happened. I highly recommend reading the linked email, as it is both short and has valuable context.

[–] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 hours ago

A lot of people commenting on this seem to have gaps in their knowledge of what happened

We're in a Linus-email-🍿-thread, so that kind of goes without saying doesn't it? 😂

[–] Rogue@feddit.uk 10 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

Is there an easy way of seeing the preceding emails in a threaded format?

I read some posted yesterday that were related but it's damn confusing whether the conversation has been active in between?

https://feddit.uk/comment/15366243

[–] kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 14 hours ago

On the bottom of the page you have a tree representation of replies, with clickable links to each message. The layout might not work well on mobile with limited screen width though, but you can just click through them.

[–] giacomo@lemm.ee 180 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] spooky2092@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I really appreciated him saying 'I don't want yes men, I need people to call me on my bullshit, but I'm calling you out on yours'.

I read through the next few replies, and it seems like the anti-rust maintainer just has an axe to grind and can't stand people working in a language they don't understand.

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 2 points 4 hours ago

He understands Rust and claims to like it. He simply disagrees with the decision to have a mixed language kernel and is trying to unilaterally stop it from happening.

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 110 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

He is totally correct and it is great to see him finally step in to settle this drama. Hopefully it will reduce the level of noise going forward.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 129 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Gee Linus you think you could've fucking said something before it got to this point?

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 18 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Yah took him long enough and should have never got to this point. Now we have lost a contributer.

[–] fallingcats@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 8 hours ago

We've lost two this week

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 90 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Sometimes you gotta let people try to resolve things on their own first.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 25 points 19 hours ago (7 children)

Yes but that clearly was not happening. And now they lost a contributor for no reason.

[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 12 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I'd venture to guess this isn't the first time Linus has had to deal with devs who have ideological disagreements and one quits. It's not also his job to keep that from happening. What he said is true, there's a process they have for maintaining Linux, and it doesn't involve flame wars on social media.....it involves flame wars over email 😅.

But seriously, if a devs are going to get upset at each other and rage quit, it's not Linus' job to play mediator.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

it used to be hard to imagining anyone wanting to work w someone as toxic as linus; but i've learned after my first 2 tenures at faang that developers are as tribalistic as any kardashian worshipper.

devs getting angry at each other and then rage quiting is just a sympton of a tribalistically shared belief of intellectual superiority among developers like when kardashian sisters have beef with each other and their followers attack each other for it.

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[–] treadful@lemmy.zip 77 points 1 day ago (11 children)

People really afraid of Rust out here.

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