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FBI Warns iPhone, Android Users—We Want ‘Lawful Access’ To All Your Encrypted Data (www.forbes.com)

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[–] Stormy1701@lemmy.zip 1 points 21 hours ago

What if we don't store it in the cloud and keep local encrypted storage only? I guess Mr FBI is shit out of luck then.

How do we live in a world where local storage is now the only safe choice?

[–] uxellodunum@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 days ago

No.

[–] unknown1234_5@kbin.earth 47 points 3 days ago (2 children)

There is no 'lawful access' without a warrant or my permission. there aren't laws saying padlocks need to support a government master key, and encryption is just a digital lock.

[–] Octagon9561@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's literally what TSA approved locks are... Of course the master keys are freely available to everyone.

[–] unknown1234_5@kbin.earth 1 points 14 hours ago

yeah, which is why we need to make sure that doesn't happen to other locks (and make the TSA start doing security instead of security theater).

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca -2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

With a pad lock they do have a key though. Bolt cutters.

[–] unknown1234_5@kbin.earth 16 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Bolt cutters are not a key, they are a method of bypassing the lock. they still need a warrant to do that, which is the point.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

they still need a warrant to do that

Lol...

In fascism, if you have the biggest gun, you do what you want. And Trump has the biggest "gun"

[–] unknown1234_5@kbin.earth 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'm talking about legally, and as much as I don't like trump we are not in a fascist country (yet).

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 days ago

What do you think the line is? When will it cross over and become acceptable to call it "fascism"? Because we've embodied Eco's 14 features of Ur-Fascism for like 20 years. We now have a de facto dictator who is using that framework to do explicitly fascist things... Where is the line?

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

The laws don't exist though because they're so easily circumvented. If you AES256 encrypt something today, there's an extremely lonely chance they can't crack it. For years.

With a padlock they can just pull out the cutters and they're done.

I'm just referring to your point on why there are no laws against padlocks in this context.

[–] unknown1234_5@kbin.earth 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

fair enough, padlock was the wrong type of lock for the analogy. how about a vault door? sure that may not be as common, but you don't have to support a government master key for those either.

[–] BorgDrone@lemmy.one 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Same thing goes for vaults, or all physical locks. It may take a little longer than a padlock but nothing comparable to the amount of time it would take to brute force good encryption. We’re talking maybe a couple of hours or days for a vault vs. millions of years.

[–] unknown1234_5@kbin.earth 2 points 2 days ago

so? does the quality of my lock change whether or not I should be allowed to have it?

[–] RangerJosey@lemmy.ml 61 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Well too bad.

[+] Emberleaf@lemmy.ml 37 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

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[–] Broken@lemmy.ml 22 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Neither did he last administration and neither will the next. They want us polarized and fighting each other so we don't fight them.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Neither did he last administration and neither will the next.

How the fuck are people still this clueless. Talk to anyone who is learned on US history and ask them if this is the same as previous administrations.

[–] thebardingreen@lemmy.starlightkel.xyz -4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Neither did he last administration and neither will the next.

That's like saying that neither tepid bath water nor boiling tea water are "cold."

[–] Broken@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I don't actually agree that your analogy applies, because it ignores my point.

Neither "side" (as if there were only a binary choice but that's how they want you to think) wants you to have privacy. Be united with those who want to fight for those rights instead of divided on other policies which are political smokescreens.

Maybe a better analogy is that we are drowning in water that is not cold, maybe it's tepid and maybe its boiling. But arguing over which is worse really doesn't matter because we'll be dead in a minute anyway.

[–] Punkachoo@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago

My life would be much worse if I lived through a boiling water bath than if I managed to live through a room temperature bath, so very good analogy.

The eugenicists running the country have cooked it already so even if we survive it's still horribly damaged forever.

[+] Maeve@kbin.earth -17 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Exactly. And "leftists" are as hell- bent on division as rightists. We're on the same side, if people could set aside differences and focus on similarities, that would be great.

ETA qualification. I am talking about Americans, sorry.

[–] Chulk@lemmy.ml 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

"Division" is good when one side is fucking Nazis who are literally Sieg Hiel saluting each other. You're not supposed to get along with or cooperate with Nazis. Stop with this bullshit false equivalence. At this point it's downright dangerous.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth -4 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I am talking about citizens. What if we had this attitude about Russia during WW2 and Afghanistan? Please close your eyes and try to imagine that.

[–] Chulk@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Nothing you're saying makes sense actually. What are you talking about?

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth -2 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Historical facts. Both those wars would have gone very differently if not for working with people with whom we had ideological differences.

[–] Chulk@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

You said:

“leftists” are as hell- bent on division as rightists

and then cited an example where we cooperated with communists (leftists) to defeat Nazis (right-wing fascists). Seems to me that we should always cooperate with leftists and never cooperate with Nazis. Again, what is your point?

My point is that being saying,

“leftists” are as hell- bent on division as rightists

You are watering down history and making a dangerous false equivalence. We are dealing with Nazis right now, and it seems to me that your point is that we should "settle our differences" and try to work with them. If that is your point of view (I'm hoping it's not), that is really short-sighted. Nazi ideology does not involve compromise. It involves systematically killing anyone who does not look/think/act like you.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 0 points 3 days ago

and then cited an example where we cooperated with communists (leftists)

I agree communists are leftists, and have been demonized by the West to support literal Nazis. My point was the ideological differences.

To your other points, when history has been seriously abridged and outright altered, in what institutions of education have been teaching since the original Red Scare (which never ended), most conservative voters a. Don't t realize these are fascistic ideals, and b, a lot of them are genuinely horrified by how far this has gone.

We see the same problems, but assess causes and solutions differently. I literally spoke with s maga voter in the last six months who is probably really hurting right now, due to current and ongoing policy. I asked why our tax dollars don't go to actual taxpayers. He thought about that a minute rightly assessed that it is because politicians and corporations are greedy and selfserving. The light was beginning to flicker. Unfortunately the conversation was interrupted, and he lives in a different state. We can make a difference, but the will had to exist.

[–] doubtingtammy@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Are you saying the US-Afghan war could've been successful? Or do you think it was successful, and somehow a result of working with ideological differences?

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I am talking about citizens

Nazis are citizens. Unfortunately.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth -1 points 3 days ago

It's going to be ugly, and I'm... Well not okay with it, but will do what needs doing. I'm saying there are plenty reachable who would work with us. Anyway, I didn't pay attention to the server at the time. I have been seeing American leftists calling each other Nazis. Truth be told, capitalism is fascististic AF, and we didn't guard the guardrails. But the magas who are reachable either aren't saying things out loud, and I'm sure that's plenty of them too. Others are reaching out and helping addicts, non-religious, other religious, other hued, LGBT. And maybe that's just because I'm in a small farm rural area. There is one who's openly an issue and one who says the right things but gives me the * heebies, for no logical reason. And the other hued who are disturbingly ye reminiscent.

[–] SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Cigarettes and meth are both bad for your health. One is much worse than the other though.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 points 3 days ago

Well continue on doing what you've always done, surely you'll get a different result this time.

[–] Coldmoon@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 days ago

lmao no government does

[–] OprahsedCreature@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I want a pony

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 11 points 3 days ago

[–] NutWrench@lemmy.ml 34 points 3 days ago

It's not my responsibility to make the FBI's job (or any cop's job) easier.

Also, folks should be using 3rd party open-source encryption, like VeraCrypt and a password manager that encrypts the database, like Keepass. Don't ever expect governments and corporations to respect your privacy.

[–] Steve@communick.news 50 points 3 days ago

So get a warrant.

[–] WarlockoftheWoods@lemy.lol 7 points 2 days ago

What fbi?

[–] onlooker@lemmy.ml 15 points 3 days ago

Um, no.

[–] endofline@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 days ago

For some reason I'm feeling so Amish... Seems like they were so right with technology risks :-)

[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 35 points 3 days ago (1 children)

any 'lawful' access that's baked-in will also be used and exploited 'unlawfully'.

[–] madame_gaymes@programming.dev 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They understand this 100%

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

And they don't give a shit 100%

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 3 days ago

It's the entire fucking point.

[–] sibachian@lemmy.ml 23 points 3 days ago (1 children)

fbi want direct access to encrypted data while simultaneously also all data to be encrypted in order to be protected from china?

do explain how this is all going to work because it's extremely confusing.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

The explanation is that they will just use this shit to target whomever they please regardless of reason. This is how fascism works.

It is meant to be confusing. Stop trying to rationalize it, you're wasting energy.

[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 15 points 3 days ago

"So don't make us torture you for encryption keys got it?"

[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 15 points 3 days ago

Thanks for your interest, but I'll have to pass.

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 10 points 3 days ago

I warn FBI. Fuck you.