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I'm an immigrant working in the USA, I came here because of the promise of a better tomorrow, a meritocracy, a seat at the table at big tech, and for a while it felt real but then my company was acquired by a larger entity and it all went to shit, now I'm in a race to show I'm the most competent and dedicated person with the most technological knowledge to keep my job and not get layed off.

If I ask my manager or my director a question or challenge their thought process I get called into a 1 on 1 meeting where I'm told I'm a great asset to the team but me asking questions of them in a team setting sets a bad example, and my questions aren't in bad faith infact in the meeting I was lauded for asking the right questions, but being pulled aside and being asked to kiss the ring felt disgusting.

At one point in my career I cared about what I did and who I worked for I felt pride over my product and my team, and all I feel now is shame to be associated with my company, I feel disgusted with myself that I work not for my customers but for shareholder value.

So I guess my question if any is are there still companies that exist in the USA or outside that still give a fuck about what they're doing and not just inflate that companies value so it can be sold or keep the stock price going up.

I would love to live and work somewhere where my value isn't determined by how much money I van make or how much shareholder value I increase, I wouldn't have to worry about a visa and if I can/will be kicked out if I'm no longer employed.

I could go back home but the work culture there is atrocious it was the reason why I had left, I lasted 5 months and I couldn't take it and put in my 2 weeks to go to the US for a Masters degree in Computer Sciences.

I'm sorry that this turned into more of a rant than anything else but I'm at a point where I don't really know what I want to do anymore, any advice or conversation is appreciated.

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[–] Ziggurat@fedia.io 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Government services aren't company, and some do develop technology, place like US national institute of Health, or US NASA, or US department of Energy come to my mind, but any first world nation would have tons of similar things. As usual doesn't mean there is no bullshit to deal with (You know the saying about reserarcher main job is to look for fundings)

Then there is FOSS sofware some of them being managed by non profit who can afford to pay their developers

finally, there is a whole non profit/charity/coop part of the economy, and considering the weigh of technology, you may have some jobs linked to technology. (But managing let's say the "red cross ERP" sounds as awful as managing any other corporate ERP)

[–] tpyoman@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Thanks for your reply, but I'm on visa not even green card and as such can't work for the government right now as they require you to either be a citizen or a green card holder with certain government clearances.

[–] paequ2@lemmy.today 3 points 1 day ago (3 children)

At one point in my career I cared about what I did and who I worked for I felt pride over my product and my team, and all I feel now is shame to be associated with my company, I feel disgusted with myself that I work not for my customers but for shareholder value.

This tracks with my experience here as well.

keep my job and not get layed off.

For me, it seems like falling in line and kissing the ring is more important than showing ability, if you want to avoid being laid off. At a previous job, I got laid off before my very noob coworker who took months to complete PRs because I wouldn't shut my mouth about RTO.

a meritocracy

🌎🧑‍🚀🔫🧑‍🚀 Never has been.

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[–] NABDad@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I've never worked for a for-profit company since I graduated college. There is variation in non-profit employers, but there are some that are great places to work.

I got a job at a university after graduation (different university than where I got my degree), and I worked there in different departments until I took a job in the university hospital. I've worked here for more than 25 years.

The pay tends to be a bit lower than what you'd get at a for-profit company, but not as bad as some would lead you to believe. I've been able to buy a home, raise a family, and live fairly comfortably.

The benefits are very good. There's a strong focus on education and growth, and work-life balance isn't just a lie they tell people in the interview.

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[–] Kaboom@reddthat.com 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

By definition, no. You can volunteer for a non profit, like the Linux foundation, but you won't make much money.

[–] tpyoman@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Right, and in that case it would be best for me to move back home but the situation back home is quite dire, I have pressures from my parents to get married I'm 33 M from India and I'm hurdling towards my expiration date as it were in society, and the general situation in India insnt that great with religion and sex being the biggest points politicians exploit for a vote bank.

[–] Kaboom@reddthat.com 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Are you an H1b worker? Yeah, you were most likely brought over because you're easier to underpay and abuse. I'm sorry if that's the case.

[–] tpyoman@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Kaboom@reddthat.com 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah. I have a very strong suspicion that you were brought in to be cheap abusable labor. It sucks but that's the point of the program.

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[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No, there are not. Form a union, get contractually obligated dignity and respect.

[–] tpyoman@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't think/know of a software engineers union and wouldn't k ow where to start, also as mentioned I'm on visa not sure if that affects anything.

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I don't think/know of a software union

CWA and IATSE are both in the tech industry, CWA represents over 2000 employees in Microsoft alone.

wouldn't know where to start

CWA offers training!

I'm on visa

Labor law protects everyone in the US, not just citizens, but I will be honest and say that risks to you are higher than normal. Aggressive union busting is a risk every organizer has to take, but just remember that Mother Jones, and several union heroes, were immigrants too in an even more hostile environment.

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[–] fubarx@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Traditionally, there have been a few classes of companies in the U.S: C Corp, S Corp, LLC (Limited Liability Company) aka partnerships, and Closed. Most companies in the U.S. are organized as one of these, with their responsibility toward shareholders, who want to see their money grow.

If you wanted to work for a company that didn't necessarily have infinite growth as its mission, the only option was to find a Non-Profit, but they may not have the kind of funding to spend on legal visas.

In the last few years, two other types of companies have emerged. They're similar, but legally different: B-corp (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/B_Corporation_(certification)), and PBC or Public Benefit Corporation (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benefit_corporation).

These can be for-profit, but have to have a stated mission in their charter to provide a benefit of some sort to the public.

The links above point at some examples, but you may want to do your own research. Those companies may have the resources to pick up your visa, and may better align with the values you're looking for.

Ideally, and when able, your best bet would be to start your own business and set it up just the way you want.

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[–] Heyting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

To improve your work conditions you have to demand it for yourself. As long as workers allow it to happen, their bosses will do everything to increase profits on the expense of the workers. Unionising your workplace is the only secure way to gain back your power.

[–] tpyoman@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

While I agree with you, I can't really do that as any form of push back could eventually lead to.my dismissal, I'm on visa and as such I'm very expendable there's thousands to take my place if I slip up.

[–] Heyting@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Do you have coworkers with the same complaints and risks? I understand that it’s risky but I also don’t think there’s an alternative option as all companies eventually will use the same exploitative practices.

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