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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/26492957

James Cameron shared on Friday that the upcoming “Avatar: Fire and Ash,” set to release Dec. 19, 2025, will be even longer than its predecessor "The Way Of Water."

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[–] Trollivier@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago

I don't need more reasons not to watch it.

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 39 points 4 days ago

I think they meant to say “threatens”.

[–] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 26 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I mean sure whatever but at the end of the day you're just remaking pocahontas poorly for the third time.

[–] Steve@communick.news 11 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

People keep saying this kind of thing, without understanding there are only a couple dozen stories. Literally, every good story is a version of something else. Maybe at best, a mash up of a couple.

Edit: here is a decent page that covers them all.

[–] TheMagicRat@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago

Sure, but you can subvert archetypes or mix different types to make new stories. If you're going to follow one of the archetypes, you need to have good dialogue, character development, visuals, etc.

[–] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

People keep saying rhat since avatar doesn't have a good plot.

[–] Steve@communick.news 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Plot and story are overrated.
If that's what really made a movie, a synopsis would be just as good. And way cheaper to make.

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 2 points 3 days ago

I bet Pocahontas itself is also a version of something older, but I'm not versed enough in classical literature to know what it might be.

[–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I think you misspelled FernGully.

[–] yngmnwntr@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 days ago

Dances With Wolves***

[–] clove@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 days ago

Idk, that water looks way better than Pocahontas.

[–] makeshiftreaper@lemmy.world 24 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I generally believe most movies should be shorter and that there's a lot of room for addition by subtraction. That said, if a movie earns its runtime then I don't think there's an upper limit to how long it can be. Lawrence of Arabia is 3 hours and 45 minutes and it's incredible, I don't think I'd cut anything in it besides the long black intro screen which is a relic of its time. I would say justifying that run time gets exponentially harder past a certain point.

With Way of Water sitting at 3 hours and 12 minutes I do think Avatar 3 needs an intermission if it's going to be longer. Asking people to sit and be fully engaged for 3 and a half hours is a big ask and having a chance to go to the bathroom, get snacks, stretch your legs, etc is needed for something that massive

[–] TheMagicRat@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago

I think there's been a problem with editing in Hollywood for quite a long time now. Many movies are much longer than they need to. A recent example is Anora, which could have easily trimmed 20-30 minutes of its runtime without losing any plot or character development.

Especially if kids are going to see it.

[–] Xavienth@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Part of me wonders what would happen if you released a movie in two parts at the same time. If it were direct to streaming, that would essentially just be a mini (micro?) series. But in theaters... I'm not sure that sort of thing has been done

[–] djsaskdja@reddthat.com 3 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I don’t think people would be willing to pay twice.

[–] Xavienth@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

They are if you just release them a year apart.

[–] djsaskdja@reddthat.com 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Right, but you said released at the same time.

[–] Xavienth@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 3 days ago

I'm not saying you're wrong to believe that people would be upset, perceiving being double charged, I'm just pointing out that if people were upset, it would be irrational, and gave the example of a two-parter with a normal release schedule to explain why.

[–] Steve@communick.news 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

People would pay a dozen times if it was good enough

[–] negativeyoda@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Christ. The last one was a slog to get through. I got to the point where I was fast forwarding through action scenes because it dragged and I was so sick of it

[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Cool, even more lack of story.

[–] Steve@communick.news 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Cool, even more lack of... anything constructive.

[–] clove@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Am I only one who visually loves Avatar? I can sit four hours just for those water vfx.

[–] Steve@communick.news 2 points 3 days ago

Not at all! They're amazing!
I enjoy the hell out of every frame of those movies.

im having one of those mandela effects were I already thought there had been 3.

[–] HighFructoseLowStand@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago

Christ, it's going to take a full work day to watch the thing.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 days ago

Oh god...this series will end in 5h long releases that shozld actually have been a mini-show...

[–] charade_you_are@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Wasn't he supposed to be doing some Terminator stuff? Why is he still stuck on this Avatar shit?

[–] Drigo@sopuli.xyz 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Pretty sure it's because he has 5 movies planned.

According to wiki, 30% of the 4th movie is already filmed, and the rest is going to be filmed after the 3rd is released. And the 5th movie is set for 2031

[–] charade_you_are@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

ugh. I thought it was "only" 3

[–] burgersc12@mander.xyz 4 points 4 days ago

It was announced over eight years ago that they're doing a buncha them.

[–] Balthazar@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

Don't particularly care about the length. Just make it better than the last one, because it fell a long way down from the first one.