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You know, personally, I don't think the rumours of Trump being an active foreign agent instead of "just" a narcissist grifter are useful, because they can be used to argue that things weren't already pretty borked before in the status quo.... (and I think they are wrong, personally)
But I do have to admit - if I was a foreign agent wanting to destroy the US and its influence in the world, I would basically do exactly what he is doing.
My college degree focused on the collapse of the USSR and the US diplomatic response to it. I studied a lot of Soviet and Russian foreign policy. If Donald Trump is not a Russian asset he weirdly backs every single position you would expect a Russian asset to have.
refusing to speak negatively of Putin in front of millions during the debate should've been a pretty clear wakeup call
"He's a good man, strong man" and every red hat cheered. You dumb mother fuckers.
I love your pfp, rain frogs are PEAK fr
Also my mom's car is named figgy and we got her as a baby so we call her "little baby figs"
He's in Putin's pocket for sure. You remember the closed door meeting with him and Putin his first time in office? Putin came out looking smug af and Trump looked like he'd just seen the ghost of his dead dad. Trump was best mates with Epstien and famously can't keep it his pants. My bet is that Putin has footage of him fucking a minor and is threatening to release it unless Trump toes the line.
Honestly, given the cult-like obsession of Trump followers, I can't even imagine a video like that making much of an impact on them. Sadly...
I think he's inept, stupid, and doesn't have a plan or idea about what he's doing. Tariffs, eg, are the polar opposite of what he claims.
His puppeteers, however? They're just letting him run wild, destroying everything he touches, because they have the wherewithall to withstand the damage.
And they are all making $$$. Insiders make out like crazy when the economy crashes, buy the low and hold. Open a for-profit prison. Get shady government contracts. Get the President to do a commercial for your cars in front of the White House. And on and on.
That is true as long as there is a rebound though. Why would there be a return to normal after this?
You think Trump cares about all these things enough to run around destroying everything? His train of thought chugs for a second, sputters and switches lines. He's obviously being fed things to be upset about and talking points, then an executive order is put in front of him to sign. He's not writing these orders.
I get the feeling such rumours are just the other face of the same kind of blind Nationalism as the MAGAts exhibit - the latter group is all about how America is a great country whilst the group spreading the "it's all due to Foreign interference" rumours are really just denying that the huge problems in America are mainly the fault of Americans.
Both are just spewing self-serving nationalism in the same direction: that Americans are good and it's foreigners who are bad.
It's generally a good idea to be skeptical of "explanations" which make the people giving them indirectly it look better, either by claiming than the group they're in is better than the rest or by exhonerating the group they're in as the cause of the problems that group is having.
If conservatives could comprehend numbers, they'd be real upset.
How mean, if they could read, they'd be pissed...
I think they would demand data from the first term.
I’ve never seen a graph so metaphorically and literally apt.
Story of his life. At no point ever has DJT not been a loser. Such a failure of a human being, and the world will be much better once he exits it.
Saw a great video of his approval numbers and he is underwater compared to every other president for this soon in. His only competition, and President he still comes in 2nd worst to depending on the topic, is himself from his first term. 🤣🤣
How the fuck is this Nazi fuck doing better with his poll numbers than the first time?!?!
Sunk Cost Fallacy
They should've added Trump 2016 too, dunno what would it look like but omitting stuff isn't great
So even with less dementia in 2016 Trump still couldn't beat a Democrat.
Honeymoon lasted a month
However the economic devastation is gonna last decades...
I thought you had drawn it in with a sharpie. Lol
I realize the title is rhetorical, but just a reminder that AB not only reversed their support for the Bud Light campaign after just a few weeks of fascist bigot whining, they also fired the advertising manager responsible.
All over a single can of beer.
You probably can't buy beer regularly without giving them some of your money, but let's not forget what spineless cowards they are. (Just like Target.)
I don't give them a nickel. Every beer I drink is brewed by someone I know. Even the commercial beers.
Drink local, fuck InBev
Obama 2013 doesn’t really make any sense. He was already president, so nothing changed. 2009 is probably much worse cause of Bush’s recession.
It's important to note that Trump is responsible for what's happening. While Obama was given the financial crisis on his lap because of things out of his immediate control.
100%. Neither is a good comparison, really. Trump 2017 vs Trump 2025 might be the best comparison. But that also implies he was responsible for 2017, which he wasn’t.
Yeah, other presidents have ups and downs and usually it's nearly a coincidence, good luck or bad on their part.
Trump absolutely is responsible for current economic conditions, with no ambiguity.
Obama 2009 looks about the same, maybe a bit stronger over 100 days. The market collapse happened in the final months of the Bush presidency, and it was just about at the bottom as Obama came into office.
To have a number as bad as Trump II, you have to go back to Bush's first term (in general the Bush graph is pretty bad, barely managing to make it back up to break-even for a few months before the 2008 collapse).
I've often heard people describe the stock market as a graph of rich people's feelings. Looking at this, if that was true? This is the most relatable the 1% have been in a century.
Edit: Yeah I know, folks. I did say if.
Meh. Really rich people are so fucking diversified that it doesn’t matter to them what the hell the stock market does on a 4-year scale. They’ll benefit from other assets and wait out the storm, buying equities when others are selling. Shit, even upper middle-class people can often do this without sweating too much.
I watched this video essay by Benn Jordan on American Capitalism that suggests the ultra wealthy are trading their net worth for control. Companies don't want to make more money, they want to have more control over your life. They'll buy out every competing company and give out their products or services at a loss even if it means losing a billion dollars a year with no plan to turn a profit anytime soon. They do it with the goal of becoming the only company that provides something people rely on.
Musk's net worth has dropped $100 billion but he now controls what government programs get funding and who gets government jobs. He traded his net worth for control.
Rich people is moving assets to elsewhere now, normal Americans has nowhere do go.
The two things will hurt rich people are tax and death.
This is actually what real 1%ers want. They can easily absorb the blow, and now they can actually buy more for less. When the market recovers, they will have increased their wealth exponentially. They paid for this to happen.
I remember how a webstream of a lettuce was set up for Liz and she got kicked out faster than the lettuce on the webstream became rotten.
We need to start a trump lettuce stream!
Needs to be an orange, surely.
Would be interested in seeing the full 4 year terms as well
now I want to also see this graph from trump's first term
The first hundred days would have been good as the market hates uncertainty. The reason why it is falling now is because Trump isn't being consistent in his policy and is upending the world order. In 2016 there would have been some hope the economy would improve
Lucifer the fallen angel...
Data is ugly - you skipped the first term of Obama and trump and the Lehman Brothers bankruptcy.
The Lehman Brothers would have to also include Bush's term, and no where near any inaguration. The first term of obama would still have left Trump II looking pretty lonely down there, with a smidge of the fallout from the 2008 meltdown still going down for the first few weeks, but by March it had recovered enough to be above his inauguration numbers. Either Bush term would have kept Trump II company down there indexed from inauguration, which is consistent with the reality that republicans seem to be bad for the economy.