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Iβm glad youβre doing this, but ultimately sad because love is irrational and I love the F-35.
this post was submitted on 15 Mar 2025
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Prime Minister Carney, I have several better solutions. Cancel the F-35 and examine the Saab JAS-39 Gripen, Dassault Rafael, or the Eurofighter Typhoon.
Can I interest you in a Eurofighter Typhoon?
Tbf. The F35 owns the sky. The Typhoon wins in a dog fight, but the way the F35 operates it eliminates the threat long before the dog fight. I would love for a European fifth generation planejme the F35 tho'
Dogfights aren't a thing anymore in modern aviation. There's a reason it was barely considered in the procurement process that led to the F-35 acquisition. Sure hope other countries step up to the plate to build viable exportable alternatives to the F-35.
They said this before Vietnam and it was wrong. Ironically if truly stealth fighters with low radar and ir profiles were to engage each other in the air they would probably end up using guns primarily again as radar/ir guided missiles wouldn't be reliable in this event.
Only if the F-35 is fully operational. $2 trillion later and the damn thing is still a maintenance pig.
Me personally? I'd love to say yes, but I'm a bit skint atm.....could I get it on IOU?
Okay, make some space in the drive and I'll bring it over later.
Fuck yeah! Canada will vote with its dollar!
Canada could do the funniest thing rn by buying J-35s at half the price.
It would be funny, but damn I would not want to buy military equipment from china
USA: We want to annex Canada. We are not joking
Canadians: Ooh China is very scary.
China is Canada's second biggest trade partner, unless they're planning to follow America to war with China, what's the problem? Especially because it's for a military that was designed for the singular purpose of defending itself from an American invasion over the last 70 years.
What's the problem?? China has shown its intent in other parts of the world with its 'belt and road' initiative and, tbh, Canada has little incentive to join that. Never mind the fact that the scumbag Stephen Harper locked us into a decidedly one-sided, 31 year long FIPPA with China that can't end until 2045.
Added to that is all the money laundering and fraud that China committed here beginning in the '90s.
Most Canadians are aware of this stuff, so are wary of joining forces with China in any way, shape or form.
China has shown its intent in other parts of the world with its βbelt and roadβ initiative
That intent being mutual development so other countries are less dependent on China's enemy and their economies can't be leveraged against China?
No. Their manipulation of poorer nations where China 'lends' them the money to complete projects that primarily benefit China, leaving the nations forever in China's debt.
You're just describing the IMF's model and pretending China is doing it. When countries were unable to pay back the loans, China has refinanced or forgiven them.
Having good relations and a country that isn't dependent on the west benefits China a lot more than slightly reduced costs to transport goods to a country, that every other country also reaps when a port or railroad is built.
Here's me pretending, with data.
From trains and highways to power plants and ports, Chinese funding has helped to accelerate Africa's economic growth and bridge infrastructural gaps.
However, although these loans have accelerated growth, they also present obstacles that may impede long-term development. These obstacles take the form of debt default.
The volume of borrowing from China has generated concerns over debt sustainability in some African countries.
- Angola .... $64.8 billion
- South Africa .... $21.3 billion
- Ethiopia .... $20.4 billion
- Sudan .... $18 billion
- Egypt .... $15 billion
- Nigeria .... $14.5 billion
- Zambia .... $13.5 billion
- Democratic Republic of Congo .... $13.1 billion
- Kenya .... $12.7 billion
- Ghana .... $9.8 billion Source
Thereβs also the downgrades and quality control issues you get with buying Chinese.
The quality can't be that much worse than the plane that can't fly in the rain and has a risk of decapitating pilots on ejection. It's not as good at killing American soldiers as the Osprey, but it's not exactly the epitome of quality.
In any case, Chinese manufacturing builds to specification. The reason they're perceived as low quality is that you're buying goods designed to be literally as cheap as possible, both in the development and manufacturing costs, and companies wouldn't make a profit outsourcing if they spent the same amount manufacturing the product in China.
When your cheap electronic fails because a .5 cent capacitor explodes after a month, it's not because the country with the biggest manufacturing sector didn't have access to 5 cent capacitors or the country with the most engineers didn't have the engineering man-hours available to design it correctly.
The Canadian public isint ready to swallow it yet but that's where it's going to end up at. China and Iran have been preparing for this scenario for the last 20+ years.
They have all the kit and more needed, and in the right quantity too. In time. People still don't really belive Trump would push the button. The closer he gets the more open to this reality people will become.
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Yeah, those are definitely safe from tampering.
The purpose of buying jets from someone other than America is to reduce America's influence over Canada, why would China sabotage that?
Edit: Why is this controversial? Do you think America tampers with the weapons we send to Taiwan?
The US can remotely disable an F-35.. China, I'd expect can do the same for a J-35.
I don't think the above poster doubts their ability, only that they might be less incentivized to do so compared to, say a country that has repeatedly voiced their wish to annex Canada.
Nobody expects China to remotely disable J-35's on a whim... But they might do it as they prepare to invade Taiwan.
Is Canada planning to go to war with China if they annex Taiwan?
Seems stupid to buy defense resources from a country that could become hostile. Do any European companies have anything to offer? I get that GOS and a lot of resources are still probably going to come from the USA but right now, the less the better.
It also seems stupid to keep importing on a mass scale the culture, news, entertainment, media, and media platforms of a country that wants to invade Canada. Yet here we are.
I would be thrilled if all American social media was blocked 100%. Sweep the trolls back into their caves.
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The Swedish Saab Gripen would be a good choice. It would include assembly and maintenance in Canada.
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There was the "kill switch" rumour recently that trump (any president) can remotely disable any/all f35s they wanted to
It's probably not true, but the truth is just as disasterous for foreign buyers.
A shutdown of parts out of US does essentially the same and is much easier to do on a whim and withhold the solution in negotiations.
People weren't just buying US because "we're the best" it's because we could be relied on for support, because no one fucksnwith the US military industrial complex
trump is tho, and that's a hell of a lot more dangerous for a politician than pissing off day traders
They require maintenance in the US. How well would that work if the US was invading us?
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It always seemed strange that Canada would agree (how much arm twisting?) to buy a plane that won't work well in our Arctic. We are committed to buying 16 jets but it would probably be better to buy the rest elsewhere or put our money into homegrown solutions. Maybe drones or other machines.
Excuse me sir, may I interest you in Gripen? Cold weather tested, fascist free, and oh so stylish. Book your test flight today!
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He's keeping up decorum but yeah these jets are done. You can't buy military equipment from an enemy and the jets would have to be serviced in the USA over their lifetime.
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