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The group that drafted a key blueprint for Donald Trump’s second term convened a meeting in Washington D.C. this week to consider proposals for bulldozing the European Union (EU).

The Polish investigative outlet VSquare revealed that the Heritage Foundation gathered hardline conservative groups on 11 March to hear how they would overhaul the current structures of the EU.

The “closed-door workshop” featured a debate on a new paper produced by the lobby groups MCC and Ordo Iuris entitled: “The Great Reset: Restoring Member State Sovereignty in the 21st Century”.

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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 minutes ago

It's not the first and it's not going to be the last.

Most EU members are small and easy to bully for a country the size of the US if on their own (and in fact many were bullied by the US before becoming EU members) and even the mid-sized ones could be pushed around, but a block of 470 million people with a larger GDP than the US cannot be pushed around just like that, so it's absolutely in the best interests of the elites which control the US and a very large fraction of its Economy (and hence stand to gain the most from any bullying by the US of other nations) to want to dismantle any association of small and middle sized countries that makes them capable of dealing with the US as equals.

Why do you think it was wealthy Americans who funded the Leave side of the Leave Referendum in Britain (for example, by paying Cambridge Analitica to use Facebook to manipulate people into voting Leave)?! It's just that, no doubt to their great disappointment, removing Britain from the EU did not significantly weaken the EU, only Britain, and they already had vast influence in British politics so don't really gain much from Britain leaving the herd to go out all on its own.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 30 points 6 hours ago

Ugh I'm so sick of these Heritage assholes. There's needs to be an American progressive counter organization.

[–] metaldream@sopuli.xyz 87 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

The Heritage Foundation is a treasonous organization. They need to be stopped. I fail to understand how Project 2025 isn't outright sedition, and it should've been treated that way by Biden.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 6 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

It's the whole "they go low, we go high" mantra of liberals.

[–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 3 points 56 minutes ago

While in reality they're going nowhere but the hotel bar.

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 31 points 14 hours ago

The US wants to add the US to this list United States involvement in regime change. They are not our friends!

[–] thefluffiest@feddit.nl 113 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

Alright guys, it’s time to roll out the guillotines again

[–] psud@aussie.zone 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I think America needs an American solution for this American problem

[–] thefluffiest@feddit.nl 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

No worries, you can have Made in America™️ guillotines

[–] cyberwolfie@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 hours ago

Freedomtines

[–] segabased@lemmy.zip 36 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Seriously, how are these clowns getting away with having workshops? They need to be scared for their lives

[–] Sektor@lemmy.world 10 points 7 hours ago

There are huge protests in Serbia, that last several months. Did the people in power went down? No. People literally need to eat grass to say fuck this shit.

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 9 points 12 hours ago

They largely own the police. Is going to taken overwhelming opposition, which is difficult to organize quickly effectively.

[–] NotLemming@lemm.ee 49 points 17 hours ago

No tolerance for intolerance

[–] morgunkorn@discuss.tchncs.de 167 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

ok so let's do these quickly:

  1. declare the AfD unconstitutional in Germany
  2. make Marine Le Pen ineligible in France
  3. destitute Viktor Orban in Hungary
[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 2 points 28 minutes ago

Romania already banned its fascist candidate. The others should do the same

[–] Bashnagdul@lemmy.world 15 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

.4. Shoot Geert Wilders and the rest of the pvv.

[–] SirQuack@feddit.nl 9 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

The rest of the pvv? Geert is the only member. Killing him ends the pvv as a whole.

[–] Bashnagdul@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

We need to set examples.

[–] HowRu68@lemmy.world 38 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)
  1. All the others like-minded installed puppets by or via RF/CCP & Co.

( remember the Huawei case in Belgium) and Chinese Police Station in Europe)

(ed links)

[–] morgunkorn@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

absolutely, the list can be expanded as much as needed! thank you for the links :)

[–] HowRu68@lemmy.world 5 points 17 hours ago

I just had to follow your example,)

[–] xye@lemm.ee 21 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

“The Trump administration’s most influential think tank, The Heritage Foundation, is receiving proposals from illiberal forces in Poland and Hungary” This part is very interesting. Are we assuming these groups are just excuses for their own agenda, or would this even be up for discussion had they not received the proposals? Something else?

[–] Munichjake@feddit.org 45 points 16 hours ago (5 children)

I am truly, honestly and in all seriousness scared. I have already sought professional help, have my First Session tomorrow but i must say... The Things that Happen These days worry me to a Point where i am truly afraid of the Future.

[–] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 hour ago

No more doomscrolling for you. Spend time with real people face to face, and you’ll feel the difference within a week.

[–] Sektor@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago

Yes, they want you like that, like a scared little middle class, who just wants to work for a corporation, watch some sports and go skiing.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 5 hours ago

They are all talk and no action. Don't worry.

They haven't been able to properly implant a tariff and that's the simplest thing in the world.

[–] aleq@lemmy.world 13 points 14 hours ago

I can relate for sure. Not to the same degree as you, from what it sounds like, but definitely very worried for the future.

That said, I do believe Europe is more resilient than the US here. And while that has been my main pain point with the EU for a long time, the fact that it's not very democratic might make it even more resilient to fascist take-over.

[–] samTheSwiss@lemm.ee 8 points 16 hours ago

Stay strong! I hope the help makes you feel better. We will prevail

[–] zaxvenz@lemm.ee 14 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (2 children)

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/lifestyle/nigel-farage-meets-notorious-climate-change-denier-at-reform-hq-389715/

The director of the climate denying thinktank The Heartland Institute Lois Perry was spotted in Reform’s head offices celebrating with Nigel Farage after the party hit 205,000 members on social media.

The Heartland Institute was reportedly involved in the radical Project 2025 agenda, which was written as a roadmap for Donald Trump’s controversial second term, and it has been a leading voice in denying scientific evidence of human caused climate change.

[–] Suoko@feddit.it 8 points 8 hours ago

So we can suspect that the US is joining Russia against UE because UE is pushing electricity against the oil&gas driven old world.

[–] ploot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Ban Facebook and X/Twitter. They're facilitating sedition.

[–] krf@szmer.info 3 points 3 hours ago

And Facebook and Xitter are nothing in comparison with TT. At least in Poland they are pushing „fun and trendy” far right, „common sense” far right and russian talking points into every feed. As far as I understand this is also true for most of the Europe.

[–] nimpnin@sopuli.xyz 51 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

The ”everything is a russian conspiracy” theory seems more plausible every day…

[–] HairyHarry@lemmy.world 30 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Because it is. And everybody denying it is a complete idiot.

[–] DonAntonioMagino@feddit.nl 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

If you think everything that's happening in Europe and the US is perpetrated by the Russians, that's honestly more of an easy way of pretending an 'other' outside of the country is responsible, not anyone in the country itself.

Wilders, despite also supporting Russia, is a 100% Dutch phenomenon (starting with Fortuyn at least). These types will use any power they have to attain as much power as they can get; in the Netherlands (with the Dutch electoral system), that's a bit more difficult than in Hungary. To attain more power, it's a good idea to have some scapegoat you can make people scared of and rail against constantly: muslims, asylum seekers, recently trans folks. You don't need 'Russia' to explain these authoritarian attacks on minorities.

It's a form of scapegoating itself, actually, despite there still actually being truth to Russian disinformation and destabilisation campaigns, of course. At the same time, it overinflates Russian abilities, though Romania is worrying.

I disagree with the 'Russian conspiracy' nonsense anyway, especially when it comes to Trump. I suppose that makes me 'a complete idiot'.

[–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 2 points 52 minutes ago* (last edited 51 minutes ago) (1 children)

It's both. Dividing western societies is the declared foreign policy goal in Russia. Working with right-wing demagogues is the most effective way to achieve this. That doesn't mean said demagogues wouldn't be a problem otherwise, but it's definitely being amplified.

[–] DonAntonioMagino@feddit.nl 1 points 45 minutes ago

That's pretty much my view. The extreme right in Europe and the US also forms a collaborative network itself, though, with events like CPAC. I'd be more afraid of the US than of Russia, honestly.

[–] nimpnin@sopuli.xyz 16 points 16 hours ago

I mean a lot of things are. Russia definitely wants to destabilize the west as much as possible. But like, not literally everything that Russia could do and would benefit them is actually done by them. We gotta focus on the big picture and not get lost in the weeds of, for example, whether Russia is to blame for the Smolensk air disaster, or every single Baltic underwater cable break in the past 2 years.

[–] sucius1@lemdro.id 55 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

The way it's going I think we're closer to seeing the USA dismantled

[–] DaveyRocket@lemmy.world 21 points 18 hours ago

Exactly, but how can Russia’s newest puppet sta… cough… ally help with the next phase of the plan.

[–] kbal@fedia.io 26 points 18 hours ago

It's too bad that "The Great Reset" they have in mind is just tearing down democratic institutions and handing all power to fascists, because a reset that was truly great might be worthy of consideration: All debts cancelled, all bank balances zeroed, all existing copyrights and contracts annulled, ownership of homes falls to those who live in them, ownership of factories and fields are granted to those who work in them, and after a period of great confusion we start again from there.

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 13 points 16 hours ago

“Member state sovereignty”. So they’re going to let California leave the shit-show are they?

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 17 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I hope the people of USA are aware of this, as this could absolutely mean war.

[–] SchwertImStein@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

ordo iuris is a polish organization, dk about mcc