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Background: I am a lifelong Windows user who is planning to move to Linux in October, once Microsoft drops support for Windows 10. I use a particularly bad laptop (Intel Celeron N3060, 4 GB DDR3 RAM, 64 GB eMMC storage).

I do have some degree of terminal experience in Windows, but I would not count on it. If there are defaults that are sensible enough, I'd appreciate it. I can also configure through mouse-based text editors, as long as there is reliable, concise documentation on that app.

So, here's what I want in a distro and desktop environment:

  • Easy to install, maintain (graphical installation and, preferably, package management too + auto-updating for non-critical applications)
  • Lightwight and snappy (around 800 MB idle RAM usage, 10-16 GB storage usage in a base install)
  • Secure (using Wayland, granular GUI-based permission control)

I have narrowed down the distributions and desktop environments that seem promising, but want y'all's opinions on them.

Distributions:

  • Linux Mint Xfce: Easy to install, not prone to randomly break (problems: high OOTB storage usage, RAM consumption seems a little too high, kind of outdated packages, not on Wayland yet)
  • Fedora: Secure, the main DEs use Wayland (problems: similar to above except for the outdated packages; also hard to install and maintain, from what I have heard)
  • antiX Linux (problems: outdated packages, no Wayland)

Desktop Environments:

  • Xfce: Lightweight, fast, seems like it'd work how I want (problems: not on Wayland yet, that's it)
  • labwc + other Wayland stuff: Lightweight, fast, secure (problems: likely harder to install, especially since I have no Linux terminal experience, cannot configure through a GUI)

In advance, I thank you all for helping me!

I appreciate any help, especially in things like:

  • Neofetch screenshots, to showcase idle RAM usage on some DEs
  • Experiences with some distributions
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[–] notanapple@lemm.ee 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

try Fedora LXQT too, it ll default to wayland in the next fedora release (~4th april i think), and its very lightweight

[–] thatonecoder@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Wayland? I will be sure to keep that one on my notes! What are the storage requirements, though? Another thing is that my laptop might be using Legacy BIOS, so systemd isn't compatible with it. If that's so, does Fedora use GRUB as a fallback? I just want to be sure that I do not mess up my laptop - it is the only one I have, and I can't afford to buy another one.

[–] notanapple@lemm.ee 1 points 5 days ago

Another thing is that my laptop might be using Legacy BIOS, so systemd isn't compatible with it.

Oh sorry, then Fedora isnt a good idea. They have deprecated support for Legacy BIOS.

Anything with LXQT 2.1 available should give the same experience however right now it seems only rolling distros ship with 2.1. Lubuntu 25.04 will ship (in ~April) with LXQT 2.1 but it wont default to wayland so you might have to do some manual config. Its also not an lts release.

storage requirements

shouldn't be a big problem. lxqt is super lightweight. If you go with lubuntu, I recommend turning off snap to save some space.

Linux Mint MATE or XFCE are really good if you dont necessarily want wayland support.

Another option is the Raspberry Pi OS. Debian based, should be very lightweight and runs wayland. I haven't personally tried it though.

[–] 0x0@programming.dev 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I'd probably go with Mint XFCE or those listed, or you can search for distros that target older hardware. I'll get back to yo on that.

Edit: so, @thatonecoder@lemmy.ca, my main search was focusing on minimal distros for old hardware (less that 1 GiB of RAM that support x86 (i.e. 32 bit)), these may fit the bill: Tiny Core, Puppy, Porteus, Absolute, antiX, Q4OS, Slax, Sparky, MX, Bohdi, Zorin Lite, Xubuntu, Archbang, Slitaz, DSL.
From here on we're on "may need ≥ 1 GiB" territory: Lubuntu, Lite, MATE, Peppermint, LXLE, LMDE, bunsenlabs, Crunchbang++, EasyOS.

Again, my focus was on low RAM usage and preferably supporting x86. Most distros aren't Wayland-ready yet, bare that in mind.
As most said, Mint with XFCE is a good start and most distros offer a "live" version you can boot to try without installing.

[–] silentjohn@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 days ago

Linux mint de

You're going to distro hop (we all do) so just start somewhere. It's debian based, so what you learn will be applicable to like 80% of the distros out there.

I like gnome. Plasma is nice too. Lately I've just been using minimal i3 window manager.

Good luck!

Fedora+Xfce is probably what you want.

[–] Phen 0 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Mint is often the most recommended distro, because whatever you may need to do in it, it tends to be easy-ish to figure out.

But these days I would strongly recommend in favor of some immutable distro like Bluefin/Aurora or Silverblue/kinoite. Instead of being easy to figure out how to do things on them, they make it so you won't need to, ever.

It's a complete paradigm shift and it might not be for everyone, but in the decades I've been using Linux for, I had never had such a smooth experience with any distro. Everything just works and you don't need to think about the OS anymore.

However it won't easily fit with some of the requirements you listed.

[–] thatonecoder@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 days ago

Is one of the requirements you're talking about the storage usage? If so, then yeah, that is a problem for me.

[–] JakobFel@retrolemmy.com 0 points 5 days ago

Mint would probably be the safest bet. You could also take a look at Manjaro XFCE, though Manjaro is a bit more advanced than what it sounds like you're looking for. There's also Zorin OS with their "lite" version which runs a modified XFCE that would probably work for your needs.

However, if you go for Mint, I'd definitely go for XFCE. I've never used labwc myself and I'm more of a Plasma guy, but XFCE is, in my own experience, a very good DE for a low-spec system. With the increasing spread of Wayland, I wouldn't be shocked to see Wayland support on XFCE in the future. Cinnamon actually has an experimental Wayland version and it's not as resource-heavy as some might think I have a 2012 laptop running Mint Cinnamon and it runs surprisingly well on that system. Then again, if you're just going for a minimalist installation, it's not necessary.

[–] double_quack@lemm.ee 0 points 5 days ago

Arch. Yes, it is a tough start, yes, you'll type stuff on the terminal, but my good god...

  • Their documentation is the best.
  • You will learn a lot.
  • You'll get the cool stuff before anybody else.
  • Your system will be as snappy as it can get.
  • updates? one single command is all you need.
  • your nerd friends will worship you, and your non-nerd friends will think you are a wizard.
  • Once you pass the ~~initiation~~ installation, your system can look as pretty as any other distro.
[–] BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world 0 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

If youre new to linux, then I'd say Linux Mint is the place to start. Use it with XFCE if light weight is what you want.

Not having cutting edge packages is a red herring - you really dont want bleeding edge as thats where the errors and breakages happen. Mint is reliable and secure which is what you need when starting out. You dont want to be a beta tester. Dont confuse latest packages for most secure on linux - plenty of packages have stable older versions which get security patches.

Mint is also very popular, with a huge range of easy to find resources to help set it up the way you want it.

Wayland is also a red herring - its the future but its just not really ready yet. Yes its more secure due to how its built but the scenario you're using linux in the particular security benefits you're hearing about are not really going to impact you day to day. And the trade off is that Wayland is still buggy, with many apps still not working seamlessly. Most apps are designed for X11 and x-wayland is an imperfect bridge between the two. I'm not saying Wayland is bad - it's actually good and is the future. But you dont want to be problem solving Wayland issues as a linux newbie. Dont see Wayland as essentialnfor an good stable and secure linux install.

Personally I wouldn't recommend Fedora - it has a short update cycle and tends to favour newer bleeding edge tech and paclages. Thats not a bad thing but if what you want is a stable, reliable low footprint system and to learn the basics, in wouldn't stray into Fedora just yet. It has a 13 month cycle of complete distro upgrades and distro upgrades are the times when there are big package changes and the biggest chances of something breaking. The previous version loses support after a month so you do need to upgrade to stay secure. Most people won't have issues between upgrades but with any distro when you do a big upgrade things can easily break of you've customised things and set up things differently to the base. It can be annoying having to fix thongs and get them back how you want them, and worse can lead to reinstalls. Thats nor a uniquely Fedora problem, but the risk is higher woth faster updating and bleeding edge distros. And in fairness there are lots of fedora spins that might mitigate that - but then you risk being on more niche setups so support can be harder to find when you need it.

For comparison the latest version of Mint supported through til 2029, and major releases also get security patches and support for years even after newer versions are released. There is much less pressure to upgrade.

[–] Veraxis@lemmy.world 0 points 5 days ago (2 children)

XFCE is probably a good, lightweight DE. Many distros will support it. I believe Linux Mint has an XFCE version by default. I'm sure they will get to Wayland eventually, but it sounds many of the features will not matter to you beyond just a working desktop.

I have never tried it myself, but maybe Debian with XFCE might be more lightweight than Mint? Probably more involved to set up, though, so I would research that a bit more before taking the advice of a rando who has never done that specific distro/DE combination.

[–] thatonecoder@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I did do some research, and there is a YouTube channel called "Old PC Gunk and Stuff", that tried out a laptop (that has very similar specs to mine (same model, too), but mine has twice the storage and RAM), with multiple Linux Distros and Windows 11 LTSC.

Apparently, Mokha (Bodhi uses it and he tested it out, altho Chromium outperforms Firefox) and IceWM (AntiX uses it, and AntiX uses Firefox and yet outperformed all other than Mokha by twice the performance).

One downside though is that both Mokha and IceWM are X11-bases, albeit I'm not aware of how bad that is, security-wise.

[–] Veraxis@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I've literally never heard of Bodhi Linux, but apparently it is a fork of Ubuntu LTS, which will have very outdated packages if that is a concern for you.

AntiX is likewise a fork of Debian Stable, so I suspect it will have the same issue. It also does not use the more standard systemd init system, so finding support could be an issue.

I don't think that it make sense to start off on such obscure distros. The advantage of a widely-used distro is that there will be forum threads and a much larger network of support to help you learn and debug issues.

I can't really speak to the security aspects of either X11 or Wayland.

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