childfree

I don't mind a well behaved young child at a brewery during the day. But running and playing tag inside is not okay. Especially if it's busy.

I understand your frustration. I would be very annoyed if I was in the same situation. We need adult only places that are not nfsw.

That’s just bad business sense if they allow that to continue.

Late stage capitalism, savage capitalism, an overcapitalized society, whatever you want to call it... It's a bunch of different factors that all eat away at the social fabric that make raising kids easier

Housing is expensive, and people frequently move for a job. It's pretty unusual to live next door to family, who would often give free childcare. You also don't get neighborhoods full of young parents anymore - everyone is just living wherever they can afford to

For-profit media - thanks to decades of horror stories (of crimes that peaked in the 80s, but are great for viewership), leaving a child not in the hands of a specific, designated adult is grounds for a CPS visit in a lot of places. You can't drop them off at the park (even if there are many adults present) or leave them at home anymore, regardless of if they actually need the supervision. It's one thing if they're 3, but a 7 year old can generally keep themselves alive pretty well, especially if you prepare them for it

Monetization and over scheduling - activities for them are paid and have specific time slots. Tae Kwon do is an hour at 6, soccer is 5-7... If you're late you need to find someone to watch them. And most of that requires money and a big time investment because of car culture

Babysitters are the exception, but they're either rare or expensive. Minimum wage isn't near enough for teens to want to do such a crap job (parents often treat them like crap and expect a lot more from them now), and teens are less trusted. They even have certifications for teens that are a few hundred bucks to teach them what to do in an emergency - basically the heimlich maneuver, how to change a diaper, and when to call 911. Adult professionals have regulations to meet, and are a significant cost

Finally, we're pushed hard to be individuals that can be interchangeable and portable labor. Outside of family, we don't have the same tight bonds of friendship our parents or grandparents did... And even family doesn't mean what it used to

Meh. It's one thing to not like children, but here this seems to have been your real problem:

my normal 20 min wait it was almost a 2 hours wait. I just walked out.

We, uh... live in a society. You don't get to feel entitled to be served at an advantage over other people. We all have to share all these natural resources and the labor of all these workers. But more people is not a bad thing. What's next, you gonna complain that all these immigrants are clogging up the line to the drive through, or that all these old people are making you wait long time at the doctor's office? Everyone is entitled to life. And in truth more people means more workers means more benefit to you and everyone on average.

Yes, you feel that this barber shop in particular was targeted towards adult audience with its shave service and whiskey bar, but apparently all those moms saw something useful in that service too, and more importantly they were all willing to pay for it. If this shop was so exclusive and upscale, then how could those kids even afford it? Yet they are customers too apparently.

I feel that way too sometimes, like when going to the movies - if I pay $20 for a ticket, how can all those kids in front of me cough up the money, when I remember paying $5 per movie as a kid myself? And yet they paid too, so we are all in there together. If I really didn't want to share space with other people, I could go look for a $50 movie theater with individual "bedroom" cubicles. As could you. You could outspend all those kids and find an even more exclusive and expensive barber service, by appointment-only. I'm gonna tolerate the kids and keep my money. 😂

As someone who has kids, it's a fucking Act of Congress to get child care. I wouldn't trust my parents to watch a potted plant, and her parents really aren't interested in the whole grandparent thing. Hiring a babysitter is both sketchy and expensive, and asking a friend is awkward since

1. most of our friends are nokids and/or not super comfortable around kids and our kids were deeply blessed by the ADHD fairy and have never met a stranger in their whole lives. And
2. We don't see our friends often, so "hey, wanna come over and watch our crazy heathens try to beat the shit out of each other every 3.5 seconds?" Is kind of a hard sell.

So, it's just easier to take them everywhere, and if we can't take them, we don't go.

The only truly adults only spaces are bars (like a bar, bar. Not the damn brewery restaurant) and nightclubs.

They suck in other ways without having children running amok, tho.

@scrubbles not childfree getting involved 😭

anyway it's a mixed bag. on one hand I understand the business sees an opportunity to make more money, and people with kids do still need haircuts, but it does also suck ass to have your moment of peace taken away

I wish childcare was taken more seriously, maybe people would run errands without bringing their screaming children

if you wanna play pool and drink whiskey just go to a pool bar. i've never seen a kid at the billards hall i frequent

kids don't drink beer and play pool

kids get haircuts

since the api protest, reddit is all adults now. all the feces-smearing toddlers moved here

Bro... children are a part of life, unfortunately you gotta get used to that

Because most people have children eventually. The rest of us are in the minority. Businesses want as much patronage as possible, so they don't target us.