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[–] leadore@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

First panel: I agree with the aspiration to avoid violence but allow for circumstances like self-defense or defense of a vulnerable party.

Second panel: I do agree we shouldn't give them weapons, at the least not lethal weapons, certainly not military-grade weapons.

Third panel: If you want to be capable of preserving your national sovereignty, having a military is required, therefore justified in that context.

Fourth panel: While the two previous questions logically follow from the position stated in the first panel, the last question makes no sense and is a complete non-sequitur from the stated position. [i.e. "Violence is never a solution" --> "oh, so do you mean it's a solution in this one case? !? !" <--non-sequitur]

[–] wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Not a non-sequitur, since she's suggesting that the second person would believe that police and armies are exceptions to the rule. Given that these are, definitionally, the only parties in most modern states legally allowed to commit violence, and that the primary function of same is to maintain the status quo, be it borders, property, or laws themselves, ths last panel does nearly follow from the previous two. It is certainly a bit of a strawman, though, since he did not actually respond yet. The strawman here, however, is intentional, as a means to suggest to the reader that perhaps violence is justified in more than these two cases.

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[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Oh, bullshit.

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I mean... I do agree police shouldn't have weapons. They're less likely to die at work than an Aborist.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Arm the pizza delivery drivers!

[–] Onyxonblack@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago

hiro Protagonist with his sword.

[–] NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I was never for increasing funding for the military until the US started threatening Canada

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[–] missandry351@lemmings.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes I believe violence is never the solution, but since there are people out there that don’t share my ideas, I need to keep some police officers around to keep me safe and some military personal to keep my country safe.

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago (6 children)

To keep the peace it's all or nothing. Nobody has weapons or everybody has weapons. Since the former is pretty hard to achieve, the latter must happen.

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[–] Korne127@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Violence is only the answer when violence is already employed and you need to defend yourself. Ukraine is allowed to be violent against the aggressor. Police is allowed to be violent against insurrectionists.

[–] SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But are the people allowed to be violent when the police use excessive force?

...cuz the cops be doing that a lot

[–] Wanpieserino@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

But do it in a smart way. A single person using violence against someone stronger than him, is dumb.

Something like BLM movement is smart.

Just trying to resist arrest, however angry it may make you, is dumb. Unless of course you'd be sent to gulag. Then do resist.

You need to use power in a smart way to gain the upper hand.

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[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 day ago

Violence is always an option.

But...

Violence is not the answer, it is the question. And, when circumstances call for it, the answer is "yes".

[–] saimen@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Thats somehow so upside down philosophically. In human history we established states and gave them the monopoly of violence, so that we don't crush each others heads all the time (at least inside the state) or so that some guy who is stronger or has better weapons can't just take all our stuff because he wants to.

[–] relative@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

This is exactly what police do via civil asset forfeiture/seizure.

[–] driving_crooner 3 points 1 day ago

It's like Twitter and other online plataforms, where advocating or talking about violent acts is forbidden, unless you are an army or a government organization.

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