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[–] krull_krull@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 5 hours ago

For everyone who says something like that, i try to remind them of this little things called WWII

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 7 points 5 hours ago

I'm not against violence as a solution. It just shouldn't be the first solution you come up with, or the second.... Or the third.

Violence as a solution is a last resort.

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 18 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Can't discuss a fascist away, but you can get rid of him by violent means. Violence is sometimes morally acceptable if not outright required even.

[–] Slam_Eye@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Who has the moral authority to decide when or when not to use violence?

[–] Bgugi@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

Usually whoever has the most accumulated violence. History is written...

[–] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 12 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

How about this:

Violence is never a good solution but a necessary one and one any functioning government will prevent its populous from using against themselves or else they would no longer function as a a government so the best we can ask for is a government that does the least harm and considering we have had a longer span of peace than any preceding civilisation then we can conclude a violent uprising would cause more harm than good so we should except the status quo given it's net benefit to the collective, however there will inevitably be those who society is less beneficial too so much so that a revolution would be beneficial but the individual cannot rule the collective because that would be a dictator and no stable society could exist when one man has grievances against it can dismantle it so we must always weigh the the against the benefits heavily before considering any sort of rebellion while simultaneously keeping in mind the overwhelming likelihood that it will outright fail given the powerful by definition have more power than the weak and include the resulting loss in our calculation.

What do you think? To wordy or will it catch on?

[–] konalt@lemmy.world 7 points 7 hours ago

I found some of these on the floor, I think you dropped them: ,,,,,,.,.,.,,.,,,.,.,

[–] Atmoro@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

The equalizer is Collective Power of all the people uniting in-person and online

[–] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

A government is a collection of people working together to maintain power.

It does not include everyone because they simply do not need everyone, given the trillions of dollars they have they could easily afford to pay for as many people as they need if that was the most efficient use of their money, given they can increase to the size of the population under one unified cause we can assume a fragmented group of people with there own agendas would be a less effective force than the majority of stable government's

[–] GiveOver@feddit.uk 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I'm gonna need this in meme form with no more than 15 words

[–] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago
[–] Wanpieserino@lemm.ee 21 points 18 hours ago

We failed to make Russia bend the knee with soft power.

Rearming Europe, after decades of trying without, is necessary because there's an ongoing war in Europe.

We overestimated our influence without an army, and that's even with the army of turkey and USA on our side in case we'd get attacked.

Violence is necessary, just unwanted. If someone hits my wife then I'm not going to use my words to solve the situation.

It's complicated because if you give everyone a gun, then there's a shooting happening every day. Give nobody a gun, then we don't know how to defend our countries.

Pros and cons to be outweighed, depending on the larger context.

[–] Emerald@lemmy.world 17 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (2 children)

violence is never the solution, but it works in a pinch for sure : )

Of course the solution to peace is not having war, but if someone attacks you, don't just stand there and do nothing.

[–] CalipherJones@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

The threat of violence is always there.

[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 5 points 19 hours ago

Yep. Violence isn't the solution, it's the last resort.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 24 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

There's a reason why we're taught about MLK instead of Malcolm X.

They're well aware of how little nonviolent protest accomplishes in the end.

[–] Gloomy@mander.xyz 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)
[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

A very good example of an exception, no doubt. Shall we tally up the number of times it took violence to drive out the British, though?

[–] TheFudd@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Complete the following sentence:

"Live by the sword, ___ __ ___ _____."

[–] konalt@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago

fish on my couch

[–] tourist@lemmy.world 9 points 11 hours ago

shit on my chest

[–] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 51 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Anyone who thinks violence has never solved anything should open a history book

[–] sevenOfKnives@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 21 hours ago

The credible threat of violence is often much more powerful than violence itself. See unions, the civil rights movement, mutually assured destruction.

Society is very often an implicit contract of "do what we want or else." Without the "or else", the powerful have no reason to listen.

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[–] RedFrank24@lemmy.world 54 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A more accurate morality would be "Violence should never be the first course of action".

[–] SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Violence should never be employed

  • against someone who is not harming you or infringing on your rights

  • against a party genuinely willing to negotiate

  • when your use of violence will seem excessive to onlookers such that they will turn against you

[–] nthavoc@lemmy.today 15 points 22 hours ago

Self defense is a thing. I notice most these comics that end up on my front page pretty much suck. Oh a .ml post. I see. Is there a non .ml version of "comics" somewhere?

[–] entwine413@lemm.ee 105 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Violence is often the solution, but it shouldn't be the first solution we try.

It's stupid to assert that law enforcement should be completely unarmed. There's absolutely legitimate situations where it's in the public's best interest. Now, the situations that do require it aren't super common, but they exist.

[–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 63 points 1 day ago (3 children)

In the US at least, law enforcement is overarmed. We'd cut back on a lot of unnecessary violence if, say, officers kept their guns in the trunk rather than on their hip.

[–] ouch@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago

Or you could do what Finland does, and make an independent investigation every time the police shoots someone.

[–] themoken@startrek.website 36 points 1 day ago

Police Union: How could you trample on the sacred rights of the police to escalate any situation into multiple fatalities?

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[–] SaltSong@startrek.website 58 points 1 day ago (18 children)

Violence is almost always the solution. Civilization is an effort to find a better solution. But people who reject the systems we've built up seem to forget why we built then.

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[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 4 points 21 hours ago

Oh, bullshit.

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