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A lot of us come from reddit, so we're naturally inclined to want a reddit-like platform. However, it occurred to me that the reddit format makes little sense for the fediverse.

Centralized, reddit-like communities where users seek out communities and post directly to them made sense for a centralized service like reddit. But when we apply that model to lemmy or kbin, we end up with an unnecessary number of competing communities. (ex: fediverse@lemmy.world vs fediverse@lemmy.ml) Aside from the issues of federation (what happens when one instance defederates and the community has to start over?) this means that if one wants to post across communities on instances, they have to crosspost multiple times.

The ideal format for a fediverse reddit-like would be a cross between twitter and reddit: a website where if you want to post about a cat, you make your post and tag it with the appropriate tags. This could include "cats," "aww," and "cute." This post is automatically aggregated into instantly-generated "cats," "aww," and "cute" communities. Edit: And if you want to participate in a small community you can use smaller, less popular tags such as "toebeans" or something like that. This wouldn't lead to any more or less small communities than the current system. /EndEdit. But, unlike twitter, you can interact with each post just like reddit: upvotes, downvotes, nested comments - and appointed community moderators can untag a post if it's off-topic or doesn't follow the rules of the tag-communities.

The reason this would work better is that instead of relying on users to create centralized communities that they then have to post into, working against the federated format, this works with it. It aggregates every instance into one community automatically. Also, when an instance decides to defederate, the tag-community remains. The existing posts simply disappear while the others remain.

Thoughts? Does this already exist? lol

Edit: Seeing a lot of comments about how having multiple communities for one topic isn't necessarily bad, and I agree, it's not. But, the real issue is not that, it's that the current format is working against the medium. We're formatting this part of the fediverse like reddit, which is centralized, when we shouldn't. And the goal of this federation (in my understanding) is to 1. decentralize, and 2. aggregate. The current format will eventually work against #1, and it's relying on users to do #2.

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[–] disney@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Reddit also had competing communities though like r/tech and r/technology or r/games and r/gaming

[–] unreachable@lemmy.my.id 1 points 1 year ago

my view on this matter, generally

fediverse currently is in its early inception, so it still need to "emulate" current flow of (popular) web service, so of course it will be some "un-ideal" for the "how the fediverse supposed to work" yet

but in time, when the "internet masses" get a grip of what and how fediverse works, the people will see that fediverse itself will show the advantages over "conventional" monoverse

it takes time, just like how today monoverse social media working, understand and get accepted by majority internet users

[–] carloshr@feddit.cl 1 points 1 year ago

I think that we should try to not create the same community in different instances, instead of that we should look for that community in existing instances and join it. So far I've realized the short time I've been in Lemmy, you can cross post between different instances and the local instance will show you if a post is also published in another known instance.

[–] masterspace@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

ex: fediverse@lemmy.world vs fediverse@lemmy.ml

Isn't the point of federation that those communities would federate and then have merged comments sections? Or am I misunderstanding how it works?

[–] sznio@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The issue with tags is who's going to moderate them.

The reddit model has an owner responsible for each community. Tags don't, and as such the moderation responsibility over everything falls on server administrators.

[–] overzeetop@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I fucking hate tags.

I don’t think I have anything else to add to the discussion, just wanted to get that off my chest.

[–] mulcahey@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

One thing that could help: We have the tech now to auto-suggest tags, even on images, video, and audio. If you posted a photo and then were prompted to simply Y/N a few suggested tags, would that be better?

[–] overzeetop@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

You know, I've enjoyed hating tags for so long I'm super conflicted about this. On the one hand, it's quite a useful idea and I like it a lot. But I would have to get over my, currently irrational, hate for tags. I might also need to have the tags hidden on any post, just so that my hatred for tags isn't triggered on a post I would otherwise enjoy.

[–] deergon@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Interesting idea for sure! Without any thought to the details or technical side of things, how do you figure the community moderators would be appointed (if the communities are created automatically)?

[–] DudePluto@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I would imagine it working just like on reddit and lemmy, where it can originally be claimed by the original poster or anyone who wants it. It's obviously not an ideal solution, but it's worked well enough historically. Maybe someone else would have a better idea

[–] _finger_@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe “tags” is the wrong identifier and needs to be called something else? It may work like tags, but if the tags are moderated and act similar to instances then they would need to be moderated so while they may operate like tags it seems what OP is asking for is a bit more complicated.

[–] hikarulsi@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

OP meant subject-matter or domain

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