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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by AeroLemming@lemm.ee to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

I daily drive Firefox, but more and more websites are starting to break without Chromium, so I still have to occasionally switch to get something working. I was using Ungoogled Chromium until I realized that there was no easy way to update it when that pixel-stealing exploit came out a while back.

To be clear, I'm not talking about stock "no settings changed" Vivaldi. With that requirement, even Firefox could be called invasive! What I want to know is if Vivaldi is relatively safe to use with all the telemetry and stuff disabled in the settings and using any necessary extensions.

Thanks!

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[-] wazzupdog@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago

If it doesn't load in Firefox, it isn't worth loading. That's my stance i won't budge, i need no website enough to use chrome ever again.

[-] krimson@feddit.nl 13 points 1 year ago

Amen. I can remember the “this site is best viewed on Internet Explorer” badges. Let’s not go down that route again.

I have zero issues with FF, apart from Teams but fortunately I rarely have to use that shitty app.

[-] p000l@lemmy.sdf.org 31 points 1 year ago

Vivaldi is pretty good, just ignored because it's not opensource. It does not come across as Chrome/Brave evil.

[-] Fjor@lemm.ee 25 points 1 year ago

I use Vivaldi alongside Firefox. And yes, Vivaldi is great. It has a really really nice tab management system which I really wish was on Firefox. Otherwise it's very fast and very customisable. I recommend to at least give it a solid try.

Although not OpenSource it is Source Available: https://vivaldi.com/source/

[-] sir_reginald@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

not even source available, if I understand it correctly, that code does not contain essential UI features, which mean that you couldn't compile Vivaldi for yourself. And that's definitely a deal breaker. Also, not having a git repository and publishing source code that way heavily damages Vivaldi's transparency. Although it's clear that they are not transparent in the first place by being proprietary software.

Is it chrominium or gecko based, or something completly different

[-] mambabasa@slrpnk.net 8 points 1 year ago
[-] fluckx@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

I like the way Vivaldi works and the tabs. I switched to Firefox purely to support having chrome alternatives.

I have no real answer to your question though

[-] krimson@feddit.nl 15 points 1 year ago

What sites do you have issues with if I may ask?

[-] headset@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Isn't it weird that people complain about broken sites on firefox suddenly can't remember the website's name when asked?

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[-] fred@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Discord is the biggest one for me, pissed me off enough to keep me off it. If you try to do voice calls it tells you to download the app or install chrome

[-] sir_reginald@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

No. Vivaldi is proprietary.

Their CEO is not an asshole (at least not publicly) but they are still not committed to privacy. Vivaldi is a commodity browser, they include UI features and other usability features which are nice. But it isn't private, at all.

They have their own telemetry which includes an unique ID per installation and they basically have no protection against fingerprinting, a feature that Firefox (and Librewolf and Mullvad Browser) and Brave (do not use Brave) have and I consider essential.

[-] redimk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Honestly, I use FF as my primary on Linux, and Waterfox as my primary on Windows (just because it runs better than FF on Windows fir some reason). Vivaldi I use as a secibdary browser when:

  1. I need to visist a website that for some stupid reason doesn't open on FF
  2. When I'm studying or need to have several tabs open at the same time (by several I mean 100+, Vivaldi has really good tab management)

EDIT: I sent the reply without answering the question, I'm dumb. Anyways, some people like Vivaldi, some don't. If you ask in a Privacy forum (and especially Lemmy) you will find less favorable opinions of Vivaldi.

My suggestion at the end of the day is just try it out and try to make your own research on how it was created and who is in charge. As I've undestood until now (don't know if it has changed) is that the only thing proprietary about Vivaldi is the design(? Idk, someone correct me if I'm wrong) and that the CEO is not an.asshole (yet)

[-] 0x2d@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago

I really like it and think that it has cool features that really help with productivity

I wish that it was actually open source (they don't include the full code, most of the source is just chromium stuff and it's published in tar archives and not git repos)

On my PC, I use Vivaldi most of the time, Firefox when I want extra privacy, and ungoogled-chromium almost never

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 year ago

Absolutely not. Its proprietary

[-] anothermember@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I would be much more happy to give Vivaldi a go if we lived in a world where much more browser diversity existed.

You’d need a very good reason to not use Firefox given that it’s all that stands against a Google monopoly on web standards. I was using a Chromium-based browser myself until Opera and Microsoft both abandoned their own browser engines - after that I couldn’t possibly justify not supporting Firefox.

Vivaldi does look very good, and takes me back to the old Opera days when Opera was good. But from a privacy point of view it's just short-sighted to use a chromium-based browser, even if that browser promises and provides privacy.

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[-] Wimopy@feddit.uk 8 points 1 year ago

Haven't used it myself yet, but I've seen it recommended: the User Agent Switcher extension. It might fix some websites you have issues with?

[-] Lemongrab@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago

Make you substantially easier to fingerprint.

I used to use it and it can help. Particularly microsoft websites. It causes audio distortion on some sites though.

[-] crispy_kilt@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago
[-] sculd@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

I use Vivaldi for all my chromium required browsing activity.

Works pretty well !

Customisation also great!

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[-] hexagonwin@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago

Vivaldi is decent IMO but there are some telemetry some might find distracting. BTW, are you using Windows? What do you mean there's no easy way to update Ungoogled Chromium?

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[-] Sproux@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

I use vivaldi as my secondary browser and its honestly really nice, and has an absolute ton of extra features to play around with, the settings menu is impressive.

[-] mambabasa@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago

Vivaldi is great. I have trouble committing to Firefox because I'm far too dependent on Vivaldi's tab management.

[-] mo_ztt@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Librewolf?

I've been using that for a while since I ditched Chrome, and anecdotally it seems like it hits a pretty good sweet spot of "privacy-protecting to such an extent that I notice little annoyances as I browse the web, but they're all trivial and easily bearable, which probably means it's doing quite a lot to try to protect me."

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