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[–] wizzor@sopuli.xyz 17 points 1 day ago (8 children)

I get the sentiment but... When sun isn't shining the negative prices cause problem for baseline power producers who need to turn off their power plants to avoid the zero to negative power prices.

This causes the power prices to become volatile, since the investments for the power plants that run during the night need to be covered during the night only.

Eventually though the higher price volatility will encourage investments into either demand side adjustability or energy storage systems. This will play out in energy only markets.

The other alternative is to implement a capacity market, which will divide the cost of the baseline production across different production hours by paying producers more for guaranteed production capacity.

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[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Great comments in here that understand the actual issues, instead of, ya' know, the usual.

Something I haven't seen in the thread: Can someone address the costs of keeping the infrastructure maintained? Free power sounds great, but it can never be free. Entire industries must be paid to manufacture pylons, wire, transformers, substations, all that. Then there are the well paid employees who are our boots on the ground. (Heroes to me!)

How is solar disrupting the infra costs?

It’s called a connection fee that is levied whether or not you used any energy that month. Those fees will likely go up to make up for decreased energy distribution revenue.

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[–] Moose@moose.best 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If anyone is curious as to why we don't run the world off solar, from what I understand the big issue is power grid frequency. Unlike a turbine, solar has no intertia. If you take away light the power drop is instant. With turbines, they keep spinning due to their weight. This is especially important since if a large load is suddenly energized, the turbine might slow down but still won't stop immediately. Maybe in the future giant electric powered flywheels or pumpgen systems can take up the slack. Nuclear would likely also help since those are essentially giant steam turbine generators. Good video with some more info here.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7G4ipM2qjfw&t=589

[–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 12 points 1 day ago
[–] WhatSay@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As a solar punk, I have solar panels, some batteries, and all my stuff runs off USB or 12v. I don't pay utilities

[–] iii@mander.xyz 1 points 1 day ago (5 children)
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[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 day ago

This feels like it is begging for further context.

[–] baltakatei@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Hear me out: pump the excess solar power from the sunny side of Earth via maser into space at a geostationary microwave mirror array that reflects and focuses power back at a ground station on the dark side of Earth.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago
[–] CrowAirbrush@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

That's exactly why i want it, but i can't in our appartment...other than a single mobile panel on our balcony and a mobile battery, which will cost about €1000 and will only allow me to partially run some electric devices.

[–] Docker@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

This is what the Cabal is doing !!

[–] baltakatei@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sounds like economics needs redefining.

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[–] PresidentCamacho@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Never forget the plot of space balls is that they figured out how to monopolize the air.

It was released in 1987.

Mel Brooks is the goat.

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Gemeni then said, "hold my beer" and proceeded to blacken the sky.

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