Did they really though, or is this just propaganda?
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I wouldn’t trust anything “found” by Israeli intelligence. Having said that, according to article, these are plans for:
Hamas units to surround and infiltrate villages and target places where civilians, including children, gather.
Which is reasonably close to what happened. Given how direct and quick the strike was, it’s reasonable to assume that plans of that nature exist.
Then again, October 7th was a a Saturday and a holiday and Hamas attacked early in the morning. If they wanted to kidnap kids, it wouldn’t make sense to target schools.
TLDR: I dunno. Maybe.
Other officials in their leadership said they were confused about the timing.
The attack was also the 50th anniversary, to the day, of the Yom Kippur war.
Yeah, it’s not as if they live close to Jewish people, probably no idea what their Sabbath is.
People trusting the IDF in 2023 is something I'll never understand.
Their kneejerk reaction has always been to claim theyre the victim and their actions are 100% justified.
So now, even when it might be true, there's no way I'd ever trust their word on it.
They're like real life "boy that cried wolf".
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No they absolutely keep their top secret plans printed on hundreds of fliers detailing the atrocities they plan to commit, just in case they’re captured so the whole world learns their “secret” plans that they printed at Kinkos and becomes even more enraged and hits their civilians harder. It’s definitively how real war is done in real life, but I mean obviously by mindless monsters not worthy of the land they’ve continually been forced out of because they’re rabid babykilling Islamic animals hellbent on an antisemitic hell crusade and this map of elementary schools we found totally proves it!
(Yeah, it’s probably propaganda. Israel is about to/is doing genocide in the spotlight and they need justification)
I dunno.
News has this ... Hamas practised in plain sight, posting video of mock attack weeks before border breach.
they are not ashamed of being terrorists or targeting civilians or teaching schoolchildren to do so. They're quite proud that they've been targeting civilians until they have an English-language interviewer asking them questions on air.
Anybody defending them is a patsy, at best.
At this point anything Israel “finds” just seems to justify the genocide that really seems to be happening.
Por que no los dos? Nothing can justify an excessive response. Murdering children on purpose can't justify more children being murdered.
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I call bullshit. Carrying around "top secret" plans conveniently printed out, and the medics happen to find them in perfect condition in the middle of a warzone.
The article literally says that the plans match the tactics and movements seen/recorded in the raid of this kibbutz and others. Dumb for them to bring the documents with? Yes. Still the exact way it happened? Also yes.
Dude, someone could just write the plans after the attack happened so they matched what happened...
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You know it's fairly predictable that some would be in denial.
Things happen, and the possibility that someone would take battle plans into battle is pretty high considering the stupidity of most people.
Following your reasoning, it is also very likely this is just Israeli propaganda.
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Irrelevant. Let's assume that Hamas did indeed target schools, hospitals, etc. That's awful, but it doesn't justify what Israel is and has been doing to the Palestinian people. Two wrongs don't make a right, it just makes more wrong.
Why can't we agree someone did something horrible without bringing whataboitisms into it?
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The documents were found on the bodies of Hamas terrorists by Israeli first responders and shared with NBC News.
Those documents - one, two - are remarkably unspoiled for what they supposedly went through: printed and distributed by a leader, handed over to the terrorists, reviewed (probably multiple times), stuck in a backpack or pocket, brought into an Israeli area, maybe referred to while there, in at least one firefight / battle, recovered from the bodies, passed around by Israeli first responders, then handed over to NBC.
All that, and not a speck of dirt or drop of blood? And the terrorists must have handled them very gently, because aside from one bent-over corner, there isn't a single crease to be seen - not even the corner where the plans were stapled together has been flattened, just gently held open. Remarkably pristine, those Hamas terrorists, even during infiltration, battle, and death.
Hey, wait a minute... What are you trying to say?? Are you questioning the authenticity of this discovery??
I'm complimenting them and their mothers on how well they were raised, to take such good care of their possessions. Even while they're running, fighting, and dying, they really managed to keep those documents in tip-top shape - that takes real dedication, and shows their mothers raised them properly.
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Also obviously everyone takes TOP SECRET DOCUMENTS to the front lines.
As we all know, bathrooms are the correct place for your top secret government documents
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If the Israelis were faking these documents, why didn't they add some dust and creases?
These look just like a printout I kept in my side pocket all day.
In your everyday activities, are you running, crouching, pressing yourself against the side of a building, maybe lying down? Are you routinely flinging yourself out of the line of fire? It's 80°F in Israel today, they've been running and fighting, probably had to look at the map once or twice and yet there's no sign of sweaty fingers that have handled the documents? I'm sure they stopped in the middle of their infiltration, too, to wash their hands.
This might've been a guy who got shot shortly after sneaking across the border in the wee hours of the morning. There's no reason to assume this is one of the attackers who spend the day fighting the IDF.
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Man. This is awful.
Don't forget about ukraine, though. Russians are literally stealing kids, and have legit torture chambers for civilians.
Dons tinfoil hat The whole Hamas attack makes me think that it is a ploy to take focus off the Ukrainian war, given the backing by Iran, a close ally of Russia. It also serves mutlipe objectives of the perpetrating countries
Dons tinfoil hat
Along as we have that on....
.... I've been reading all about all this detailed intelligence that Hamas had on the inner workings of the Israeli military around Gaza. Like, they knew exactly which unmarked installations were military. And they knew that if they took out the cell towers, it would cripple their communication at the border....
.... which is the kind of key operational information that Israel would only share with its very close, key allies....
.... the closest and key-est of which was run by someone who is under indictment for mishandling classified intel, and quite possibly selling some of it....
There's no way Donald Trump willingly sold Israel's secrets to Hamas -- I don't think he's even that dumb -- but it is plausible that he sold them to the Russians, and then they mysteriously "leaked" to Hamas, somehow. Or maybe he sold them to the Saudis, who don't really like Hamas but maybe there is a Hamas sympathizer there who took the documents.
And an even worse thought is that he didn't sell them at all, but willingly gave them to Putin out of friendship, or showed them to some random at Mar-A-Lago who happened to be a Hamas spy with cameras in his eyeglasses.
It reads like bad fan fiction, but so much of modern US politics does these days.
still in tinfoil hat mode...
but it is plausible that he sold them to the Russians
More that he bragged about the info to somebody in Russia who was helping him out with his campaign, and that somebody went to Putin saying "you'll never believe what that idiot showed me." And then Russia thought "hey, that'll distract from all the other shit we do!" Ukraine included, but that's really not the end of it.
For what it's worth, they've been planning the attack for a long time. And Iran was also a big supporter.
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Here's an example of the top secret document: https://i.imgur.com/PpALNhj.jpg
This wasn't created in 10 minutes. How did Israel not know of the attack beforehand?
Why do you think that took longer than 5 minutes to type?
And why aren't you questioning why a pristine freshly printed copy was discovered on the bodies of dead fighter?
You don't think there'd be a single dirt mark or blood stain?
It's suspicious, but not even remotely proof of falsity or grounds for dismissing it outright. That's just sloppy motivated thinking on your part.
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Oh wow, what a coincidence finding such great quality paper with no tears, no blood, nothing just casually on top of a dead Hamas fighter and a TOP SECRET one as well!
Sadly with the all these unverified claims by Israel these past few days, I’m not sure if this is any different.
Over the top as usual. I do hope people won't forget all these BS.
Come on, the "beheading babies" joke is just sooooo isreali in the over-the-topping to justify anything.
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