Canada

That's not what their base believes. There is a whole other fantasy reality in their channels about how Carney has planned all along to cut a secret deal with Trump after the election. Other justification narratives probably exist as well, because they have to keep people believing that obviously, everyone knows we couldn't possibly do anything other than completely fold into Trump's plans. They spew propagandistic garbage like this and teach people to distrust legit media that understands context and checks facts rather than running with conspiracy theories based on flimsy evidence.

The conservatives still turned out a lot of votes. The left just voted strategically to keep them out. Next election the left will split again and we will get the conservatives again. Given the parties recent history even if it isn't Poilievre I'm sure they will pick another alt right sycophant.

Its complicated; I cant really see the hope for these reasons. Canada had a housing crisis 10 years ago, prices were way too high relative to incomes. The shortage then worsened and prices ratcheted up as we increased immigration.

In 2023 we had huge asset price inflation like most places, due to QE from the Bank of Canada that was used to fund Covid stimulus, which caused asset values to skyrocket. We took in over a million people that year to sustain asset prices and keep wages depressed. This is known as the phillips curve, its generally expected wages rise after inflation due to wage pressure, as people ask for raises to deal with the rising cost of living.

https://thehub.ca/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/Fig1_AnnualPopulationGrowth_graph_v1-1170x839.jpg

Canada's main cities are now within the top 10 most expensive cities in the world. The income required to afford to live there is above 200k, while the median wage is only 70k a year.

https://globalnews.ca/news/10572326/impossibly-unaffordable-housing-vancouver-report/

Carney promised to cap immigration at 1% population growth a year, which is 415,000 people a year. Annual deaths are at around 320,000, and births about 360,000 people, so we will grow at around 465,000 people a year. Given in 2022 we welcomed the most we have ever welcomed at 405,000, where prices were already rising dramatically, I dont see how the cost of living gets any better for young people. I actually dont see a single change to the existing Liberal plan at all, they were basically expecting that exact same number in 2022.

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/news/2022/11/an-immigration-plan-to-grow-the-economy.html

There's hope but this was too close. The Conservatives upped their numbers as did the Liberals. It was only the progressive/reasonable vote banding together that saved the day.

We were supposed to get election reform after the liberals won in 2015 and I'm still quite bitter about it

I believe the whole world would be in much better shape if everyone handled elections like Australia. We certainly wouldn't have had Trump ever here. When more people vote the Democrats win every time.

I strongly support mandatory voting. If you're against voting at all for whatever reason, just turn in a blank form. And I'm no big fan of the Democrats, but they wouldn't be kidnapping people to send them to concentration camps.

An electoral reform wouldn't hurt.

I think "stomping down" is the wrong phrase to use. Regardless, I have a couple in my family... Asking them "how do I change your mind" or "what would need to happen for you to even consider the other side" has shown me some people can't be helped.

I wanted to vote NDP but I felt I had to vote Liberal to negate their PP vote. My riding is liberal this time and I'm super happy.

Happy that the Trump presidency could at least contribute one positive outcome.

Conservatives have more seats now so that’s definitely not the lesson they’re learning. Probably this just means that they need to pick a rural district to run their party leader

They can’t give him someone else’s seat. They can ask someone else to resign their seat and he can run in a byelection for that seat but the prime minister (Carney) can wait up to 6 months before calling the byelection, which itself can have a campaign period of up to 50 days.

So if Carney wants to, he can keep PP out of office until at least next year.

The other cool thing is that PP is no longer eligible to occupy Stornoway House, the residence of the leader of the official opposition, since PP no longer has a seat. This means he has to move out and he loses access to the $200k year budget for household staff. So he’ll have to get out there and look for housing like the rest of us plebs (though he can easily afford it).

Yes, that's where the drama will unfold next. Will there be a civil war, and how many factions will be involved?