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I remember constant complaints of "The Dems didn't even TRY anything, they should have proposed bills even if they knew it would fail!" before the second Trump presidency.
Now it seems the chorus has changed to "I can't believe they're trying something they know will fail!"
Curious.
If I had a nickel for every time a congressperson told me they introduced a new bill to address some issue, I’d be rich. In the age of Trump, people aren’t hoping their representatives are going to introduce dead on arrival legislation; they’re hoping their representatives will lead a national movement. We need people in the streets daily. We need occupy DC.
a little too late, how bout introducing something more effectively like limiting his ability to give out tariffs, or protecting voters from voter suppression.
Seems like some dems are starting to grow a spine and actually act like opposition. I doubt it'll last though.
this is such a fucking waste of time and is nothing more than pandering bullshit. we don't want you to try to pass something that WON'T PASS and WON'T STOP FASCISM. please do something more. please do something that fucking matters.
please do something more. please do something that fucking matters.
Okay.
As members of Congress, what, exactly, should they be doing?
You are right. This current government is a "We the People" problem, not a "You the Politician" problem.
Get violent, break decorum. Yell. SCREAM! Tell the world that these fascist motherfuckers are throwing lives away. Do goddamn anything that will mean you have to fucking LOSE something for once in your fucking life. Our politicians live a life of luxury and convenience and you think them writing a bill that they know will fail is a fucking good deed. like honestly, fuck you, you fucking liberal piece of shit. you are half the reason we are in this mess in the first place.
Okay. So will breaking decorum, yelling, and screaming will 'pass' or stop fascism?
can you imagine the response from the general public if they saw our members of Congress literally fighting against fascism? it would be otherworldly and could help inspire millions of Americans to take up a genuine, true rebellion and fight. if these so-called antifascists in government are truly that then they need to physically prevent the fascists from being able to do their job. we elected them for that because we can't FUCKING do it, now can we? can you just go in there and stop it?
So, "They're pandering to the wrong people; I want them to pander by doing different useless symbolic actions."
About what I figured.
no no, you misunderstand me: i want AOC to literally beat the shit out of her coworkers in order to prevent Trump from sending another fucking child with cancer out of this country or a legal resident to El Salvador never to return
is that clear?
Okay, how will AOC 'beating the shit' out of GOP Congressmen stop ICE from deporting children?
oh it wouldn’t! see, that’s the cool part. i wasn’t saying that act alone would solve anything but that it would be a physical act carrying significant personal risk, which is something people haven’t seen from our politicians: personal risk. they have never stood to lose a goddamn thing.
i genuinely believe if our Congress was more violent and chaotic then more and more Americans would rally together and do something regarding the ICEs of our government
oh it wouldn’t!
So, “They’re pandering to the wrong people; I want them to pander by doing different useless symbolic actions.”
So you agree with my comment you originally objected to. Good. Glad we're in agreement.
no you dumb fuck: this is a physical act that carries a symbolic significance. it means something because it exchanged something. there was weight behind that symbolism. it wasn’t just pointless and empty like the criticism often expresses. good try though. just fuck off and say you’re a coward and violence isn’t the answer blah blah liberal nonsense fuck you.
no you dumb fuck: this is a physical act that carries a symbolic significance.
"My useless symbolic action will make the masses Rise Up(tm), while THEIR useless symbolic action won't!"
👏
just fuck off and say you’re a coward and violence isn’t the answer blah blah liberal nonsense fuck you.
Sorry that I find the idea that Congressmembers brawling will help our situation at all risible.
You want to use violence as the answer to this question, get real about it, not asking clerks and octogenarians to get into slapfights in the halls of Congress on your behalf in the strange hope that it'll cause a mass uprising wherein you won't have to lift a finger.
fuck you you fucking cunt. you are a coward in the face of fascism and i hope you get yours.
You are wanting people whose literal job is to legislate, which they were elected to do in order to represent the voice of their constituents on legislative matters, to stop trying to legislate in an effort to build legal walls to defend against fascism?
This is a case where we need the dog-and-pony show. We need everyone doing everything they can, especially the foundational things, so that later on no one can say "why didn't they just try the normal way and things wouldn't have been so difficult?"
Edit: we need our representatives to be doing more, I agree there, but I'm saying we need them do AT LEAST do their job, and we should probably be saying "Yes, and..." to them instead of just "you're doing it wrong."
Man I have to agree with OP. Do these things like a Dem version of Project 2025. Have an equality agenda when in power and actually make those changes. Fight facism now, because equality doesn't mean shit if everyone in power is facist. They are deporting US Citizens for God's sake.
if you can't see through this charade i don't know what to tell you.
That's great and all. But you seem to forget, "It's the economy stupid."
You lot need to join Bernie and AOC's campaign.
Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Tankies literally ally with the bad to fight the good. And perfect doesn't exist.
Anyone who is against fascism is an ally in the fight against fascism, no matter how flawed.
We can settle other differences by talking them out, but that can never be done with fascism because it only ever listens to painful consequences.
