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[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Europa is too pure and regulated to be hegemony.

Do you think the US became a superpower by being kind and egalitarian and taking it slow? Nah, they came out the gate swinging, uppercut to Hiroshima and a roundhouse to Nagasaki, and it only got worse from there. They watched the old European powers withering under the weight of colonialism and insurrection in Indochina and southeast Asia and said "I'll have a piece of that".

You don't become Hegemon by standardizing power grids and phasing out coal. You become Hegemon by selling your soul to the MIC, spinning up black site torture rooms in countries most people don't even know the names of, funnelling guns and drugs to everyone who will take them, and bringing a fucking bandolier of hand grenades to every knife fight.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

It has a lot more to do with humans being humans universally, everywhere you go, and people are as vulnerable to Putin's and other wealthy crime lord's tactics in Europe as they are in fucking Crimea or Venezuela, it's just that people broadly think themselves too immune to social messaging to ever vote against their own best interest.

Such as dissolving the largest economic and social union Europe and maybe the world has ever seen just because enough people saw scary stories on TV about what would happen if they didn't vote for Brexit.

A "world order" is literally the thing we need most to secure our future, and it's the one thing individual people are most scared of, because the people who want to retain power are doing everything they can, without limits, to preserve that power and sow fear in every dumbass out there with a TV or computer.

[–] SleafordMod@feddit.uk 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Maybe Europe doesn't need to be a hegemony. Maybe instead Europe should just be a self-reliant world power, capable of standing up for itself against other large powers like the US, China, and Russia.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

capable of standing up for itself against other large powers like the US, China, and Russia.

To do that, it needs to consolidate power in some way, a way to compile all resources of united/allied countries and leverage them against other powers. IE: they would need to be hegemonic in the exercises of power necessary to maintain control.

People are repulsed by the word "hegemony" because it's scary and often used to describe authoritarians, but we literally need to get to a single-world-government as soon as possible to secure our survival as a species. The problem is right now if we set that up, the cretins of the world would vote the very worst people to lead that world-government because the very worst people keep shoving propaganda up the asses of our most stupid people and we keep letting them.

[–] SleafordMod@feddit.uk 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Fair enough. I just googled the meaning of "hegemony" and it said "leadership or dominance, especially by one state or social group over others". So what I mean is that Europe doesn't necessarily need to be dominant in the world, but it should be able to stand up for itself.

we literally need to get to a single-world-government as soon as possible to secure our survival as a species

I've thought about that a little bit. Perhaps such a government could help resolve disputes. It could perhaps prevent terrible wars like those in Gaza, Ukraine, and Sudan. Maybe a single world government will happen at some point, in the distant future.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

We would need to get to a post-scarcity civilization first. Something we could actually do if we all decided collectively we wanted it more than our immediate rewards and if we had guidance in that direction and leadership that also wanted it.

So yeah, probably a thousand years from now when AI runs the planet or when we're all dead and the apes and robots can make utopia.

[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 9 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Get this, there's already a thing called the European Union - almost like we're already pretty united! :)

I don't really think further unification is the goal here.

[–] Mouette@jlai.lu 2 points 6 days ago

USA misunderstand that European State are nowhere similar to US states. If you expect Germany France and Poland to go federal and have common institution for security defense etc.. let me tell you it will not happen, we were at war 80 years ago and we're not even having the same language. Ain't no way do I'm trusting anybody else than France to represent and defend France

[–] Juliee@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

We are not truly united, not yet. The shadow from the east seeks to divide us and corrupt us. Only together we can face it. So sharpen your weapons and train your body because before long we will have to defend our way of life.

The Enemy is already trying to damage our morale. He wants to leave us divided, indecisive, feeble. If we show to be united and determined we will end this war before it comes to our door

[–] Juliee@lemm.ee 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I must say that I am prepared to die to defend Europe. It is maybe one of the last causes truly worth fighting for

If even quarter of people feel like me then we cannot be beat, we cannot be defeated. We will meet there on the Vistula river to stand against the darkness

It will only be after my cold dead body that the orcs will destroy this beautiful land. The mountains, the fields, the cities, rivers and forests, the peaceful, good people.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] Juliee@lemm.ee 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

A duty is more fitting word. We ought to protect things that are rare and precious. If everyone simply runs away before aggressor then everything is lost for certain. An orc won’t stop just because you go on your knees and hope they will have mercy. They are not people, they are orcs.

I won’t judge those that won’t be there if the time comes because I understand them perfectly. However, if we all run there will be no one to stop the enemy from destroying our remarkable, precious Europe.
If we just give it up without a fight then we would betray everything we believe in.

This isn’t just about land and borders. It is fight for European values against the darkness of Russia. A struggle so our idea of the just, equal and diverse society prevails. We must protect this idea at all costs.

Anyone who is enjoying the accepting queer community and tolerance of Europe should consider to be there if the time comes. This is what we will fight for and die for if needed.

Not because some politician tells us to do it but because there is no other place in the world where people truly can be themselves with dignity and without fear. There is nowhere to run, this is the first and maybe the last place where you can be truly free.

[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

We just have to through the Bell riots and WW3, but then it’s all tea. Earl gray. Hot. From thee

[–] Apocalypteroid@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

WW3 is scheduled for later this decade

[–] epicstove@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yo when tf did Switzerland join?

[–] nuko147@lemm.ee 4 points 6 days ago

Same year that UK rejoined lmao.

[–] SilentFury@lemm.ee 3 points 6 days ago

Only here to say that this picture REALLY makes the scandanavian countries look like a droopy dick n balls.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Anybody who knows the actual history and current reality of european imperialism will not want this at all.

[–] Juliee@lemm.ee -1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I want to be low key nationalistic but for EU if you know what I mean

I wouldn't defend borders of my country but for eu probably. I want eu to be a bright light in the darkness of the world. Brits like hobbits, Ukraine and Poland like Gondor and Rohan against the orcs. Finns will be the elves, germans are dworfs

Let us all be complete opposite of the orcs, free beautiful people so that we will prevail against this darkness. Stick to our principles the more barbaric Mordor gets because they are worth fighting for. They stand no chance against us together

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